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United States soldiers may need search warrants to conduct night raids on the Taliban in Afghanistan in the future

March 24, 2012

  After the horrific killing of 16 Afghan citizens by Staff Sergeant Robert Bales, and the outrage that followed, Barack Obama is trying to calm the situation down and smooth over the tension that has grown between he and Afghan President Hamid Karzai. Barack Obama is in negotiations with the Afghan leader and appears willing to cede some United States authority in Afghanistan to quell the anti-American violence in the country.

  Here is one of the concessions Barack Obama has reportedly offered to Hamid Karzai:

The administration’s most significant proposed concession on night raids would subject the operations to advance review by Afghan judges, U.S. military officials said. One option under discussion in U.S.-Afghan talks would require warrants to be issued before operations get the green light

    I know that the Obama regime calls our actions in Afghanistan an “overseas contingency operation” or some other nonsense like that, but this is still a war we are trying to fight, and here we have the president of the United States offering the enemy the opportunity to be forewarned before the United States engages in night operations against the Taliban or al Qaeda.

  Never before in the history of warfare has a country willingly or knowingly provided advance notice of an operation designed at rounding up the enemy and Barack Obama is on the verge of doing just that. If the United States has credible intelligence that there is an al Qaeda or Taliban target in the region they will have to go to a judge and get a search warrant before moving in on the suspect if Barack Obama has his way and it is true what is being reported.

  What could possibly go wrong here?

  In a best case scenario everything would work according to plan, the United States would apply for and be awarded a search warrant, and the suspect would be apprehended. But there is always the possibility of a sympathetic judge tipping off the target thusly giving him the opportunity to escape, or in a worse case scenario, set a trap for the soldiers when they carry out the raid.

  In the end this will not help to lessen the anti-American tension in Afghanistan–nothing less than a full withdrawal will be acceptable to most of the people in that country–all this does is make our troops in the region less safe, and put further restrictions on already overburdening Rules of Engagement.

  If this is the way the United States is going to proceed in the prosecution of the war moving forward, then it is time to give Afghanistan what they want; get the hell out of there and let them fight it out themselves after we are gone.

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  1. lou222 permalink
    March 24, 2012 11:21 am

    Remind me why we are still there! I guess I have to wonder what General Patton would have to say in this politically correct situation. I can only imagine the words that would be flying out of his mouth.

    • March 24, 2012 7:56 pm

      We should have used the killing of bin Laden as a springboard to start removing troops, I don’t know why we are still there and what else we can be expected to do.
      As for Patton, I am sure he would have quite a few words for what is going on right now, and I wish we had a general like Patton right about now to tell it like it is.

  2. March 24, 2012 11:36 am

    This is just more proof that our soldiers are just as much in harms way from the Obama regime as from the Taliban.

    A raid where prior notice is given, can not be conducted successfully, or at all, especially when a corrupt government and tribal loyalties trump even the best laid plans.

    The minute the warrant is applied for the tribal telegraph will warn the targets who will either flee or be waiting in ambush. Barack Obama, as is documented, has no real use for our military so why should he give a second thought to the safety of our troops unless there is a political consideration involved.

    As I’ve said before Obama is incompetent in any way shape or form to be making decisions concerning our military – and before anyone starts the crap about “he” killed bin Laden, save your breath.

    Everyone in D.C. knew he only gave the orders under pressure from his advisers who pointed out a “win – win” in that action with the upcoming election.

    Obama is nothing more than a cheap Chicago politician who lied his way into the White House with the help of, as I said many times before, a gullible, ignorant and under educated electorate….WM

    • lou222 permalink
      March 24, 2012 1:07 pm

      William, you know it has been said that Bin Laden had been dead for a number of years and this was just brought out about his kiiling when it was needed. What “can” we believe with this media anymore?

      • March 24, 2012 7:59 pm

        I wouldn’t be surprised if bin Laden had been dead for years and the news was delayed until Obama could use it politically. It is sad to think this way, but the fact is that Obama cannot be taken at his word on any issue.

    • March 24, 2012 7:58 pm

      I couldn’t agee more William! Obama is making a dangerous situation even more dangerous for out troops. They are doing all they can, and they are performing admirably under the circumstances, but they are being put in danger by our own leadership and I find it to be disgusting.

  3. March 24, 2012 11:55 am

    Atrocities happen in war and must be dealt with. But, trying to change a war into a politically correct intervention is insanity. BRING OUR TROOPS HOME!

    • lou222 permalink
      March 24, 2012 1:09 pm

      C on F, the whole world has gone crazy being politically correct. We have no business being there if THIS is how the war will be playing out.

      • March 24, 2012 8:03 pm

        AMEN!

    • March 24, 2012 8:01 pm

      Yes, this shooting was a horrble incident, and while I am not condoning it, sometimes things like this hapen in war. Especially when our troops are being heavily restricted with the ROE, it was only a matter of time until something like this happened. But this does not mean you capitulate to the enemy, and if this is what is in store moving forward it is time to get the hell out of there.

      • lou222 permalink
        March 26, 2012 9:36 am

        Steve, now it has come out that Obama has given reparations of 50 thousand to the families of the dead and 11 thousand to the wounded. Has this ever been done before? What about the families of our fallen soldiers? Does the foreign country pay reparations to them? What do they get from Obama? I find this a bit troubling. Things happen in war, unless it is a “Politically Correct” war that is going on. This has gotten so stupid, I can’t even type any more about it….

      • March 26, 2012 8:25 pm

        I don’t know it this has been done before but I do know that the family members of the people killed by Hassan at Fort Hood have not received any money from the government.

    • March 25, 2012 8:31 am

      I agree Jim, this was a horrible incident but things like this occasionally happen and you try and punish the person, but you cannot make it harder on the rest of the troops to do their job in the future because of one man’s actions.

  4. March 24, 2012 1:28 pm

    Why don’t we just call al Qaeda and tell them where we’ll be and when so they can ambush us?

    • Anonymous permalink
      March 24, 2012 2:38 pm

      THE WE HAVE BEEN ASKED TO CONDUCT OUR ENGAGEMENTS WITH ENEMIES HAS LONG BEEN A SUICIDE MISSION FOR OUR TROOPS. RULES OR ENGAGEMENT DESIGHNED BY LIBERAL POLITITIONS WHO HAVE NEVER SERVED IN THE MILITARY HAVE NO PLACE IN AREAS WHERE OUR TROOPS ARE CONSTANTLY PLACED ONDEFENCE INSTEAD OF OFFENCE. THIS WARPED THINKING IS WHY RECENT CONFLICTS LAST TEN YEARS WHEN THEY COULD BE OVER IN TEN MONTHS. THIS WOULD PREVENT THOUSANDS OF CASUALTIES AND DEATHS TO OUR MILITARY.”HE WHO IS FORCED TO SHOOT LAST IS FORCED TO DIE FIRST.”Lloyd Kuehn, Former Marine

      • March 24, 2012 4:17 pm

        Lloyd – ROEs are the enemy’s best friend – A former Marine – Semper Fi….WM

      • March 24, 2012 8:04 pm

        Yep, these restrictive ROE only prolong the war effort and lead to more American deaths than if we were simply allowed to fight to win. Thank you so much for your service. Semper Fi.

    • March 24, 2012 8:02 pm

      That is pretty much what we will be doing if this ends up being the reality, so we might as well call them ourselves and cut out the middle man.

  5. rick w permalink
    March 24, 2012 2:42 pm

    Another act of treason by our so called Commander and Chief Barack Obama
    bring our men and women home,because Obama has sold out our milatary and he has no intinsions on keeping them safe.

    • March 24, 2012 8:05 pm

      Bring them home!

  6. bunkerville permalink
    March 24, 2012 8:55 pm

    And when the latest U.S. soldier was murdered by an Afghan soldier he was working with, it was only recently that we found out when actually it happened months ago.. This is terrible news for the families of our soldiers.

    • March 25, 2012 8:33 am

      That one got hushed up, didn’t it.

  7. March 24, 2012 10:12 pm

    The Obama administration is just as treacherous and devious as any of our enemies – I guess that puts them in the same boat….WM

    • March 27, 2012 9:09 pm

      Yeah it does!

  8. March 25, 2012 8:48 pm

    One of my commentators gave the answer to Afghanistan if we are to stay there to win.
    Declare war.
    Remove the rules of engagement.
    Allow our troops to do what they are trained for.

    Bob A.

    • March 25, 2012 11:11 pm

      Exactly! If we are going to stay there then we need to remove the ROE which are putting undue pressures on our soldiers, if we can’t give them permission to do their jobs then it is time to get out.

  9. March 25, 2012 10:41 pm

    This proposed concession is unwise. First of all, the Afghan gov’t system has serious corruption, and that would include judges I am sure. The Taliban would get leaked info.

    Second, if our soldiers have to get Afghan warrants, that would make them like regular police, or cops if you will, here in the States. Except, in Afghanistan. Which would make them more like Afghanistan’s rent-a-cops.

    Linda

    • March 25, 2012 11:12 pm

      Spot on Linda, there is no doubt in my mind that the judges–in many cases–will tip off the targets before our troops can move in, this is a disasterous concession.

  10. Cathy Pavlatos permalink
    March 27, 2012 10:17 am

    We’ve had good generals all the way: petraus, Mcchrystal, etc. it’s the commander in chief that fails here. He doesn’t follow the lead of our top military — he’s got his head in the clouds and his mind on reelection. The most dangerous people are the ones who don’t know what they don’t know. That makes Obama very dangerous indeed. War is hell and bad things happen, but I’m incensed that we are considering giving a “heads up” on night raids. The purpose of war is to win; either let our boys do the job, or bring them home. Anything else puts our men in danger.

    • March 27, 2012 9:05 pm

      I couldn’t agree more Cathy! This man is in over his head and is only thinking politically. Because of this our heros are in more danger than they should be and I think with the restictions in place it would be better to bring them home.

  11. March 27, 2012 10:52 am

    Consider: One plus one equals two – or does it? It is no secret that Obama has no use for the military. Every step he takes further diminishes morale and the military’s credibility.
    It has been his contention all along that military “adventurism,” (his words) is a bump in the road to global peace.

    As to great generals. We have had a number of great tactical generals but many at this point have become willing pawns of the administration. The most recent example is General Allen who bends over forward to the Afghans every time something doesn’t go according to plan.

    The one general who had remained true, until forced to retire, was General Stanly McChrystal who made no bones about calling out Obama’s incompetence as a Commander in Chief.

    As for the Secretary of Defense Porky Panetta, he is in my opinion a traitor. Sound harsh?

    Consider last week before Congress he said military action on the part of the U.S. should be subject to the direction of the UN’s Security Council and or NATO – Congress, in his own words is “irrelevant….WM

    • March 27, 2012 9:12 pm

      I don’t fault the generals at all, they are only following orders from above and the man calling the shots has no clue what he is doing.

  12. Disabled 19K30 permalink
    March 29, 2012 11:11 pm

    Maybe someone should ask who sent them there in the first place? Oh wait…..wrong forum.

  13. MIttenChick permalink
    April 1, 2012 5:26 pm

    Ron Paul 2012!!! Time to bring our soldiers home instead of allowing them to be used as pawns for a sick and twisted military industrial complex!!

  14. Rodney permalink
    April 22, 2012 8:38 am

    I can’t believe this. Has obama lost his mind? Can you imagine having to get a search warrant in Vietnam before we went to a hooch inside a village looking for “Charlie”? I say it’s time to pull out of all of those countries and let them kill each other. We need to also stop sending them money because they all hate us anyway!

    • lou222 permalink
      April 22, 2012 9:14 am

      You are right, Rodney. Look at all the money these countries “demand” of us, that is pretty bold, if you ask me. AND, we send it to them. Guess that is just another use of our tax money along with all the entitlement programs here. Also, guess we will just have to fire up the printing presses, again….it is only money

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