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President Obama, Harsh Interrogations, and Terrorism

April 22, 2009

  I have been silent on this issue for too long but now is the time to write about what this president has done to the country’s safety by releasing the papers on the harsh interrogations authorized by the Bush administration,  his refusal to release the papers that show how effective the interrogations were, his willingness to drop the interrogation procedures, and his unwillingness to do whatever it takes to protect the American people.

  We know three things  about this president, harsh interrogations, and terrorism:

1) The president has vowed to end the Bush administration’s policy on harsh interrogations, he released papers that described the techniques that he will ban but not the papers that showed the results

2) The Bush administration’s policies on harsh interrogations thwarted a second wave 9/11 type of  attack

3) The president has left the door open to prosecute the CIA operatives that performed the harsh interrogations.

  Let us examine these three issues one at a time. The president cherry picked the harsh interrogation papers that he would release. He released the papers that told us, and the enemy, what methods we used to harvest information from terrorists about future terrorist attacks but he chose not to release any papers that told us what type of information was gained by using those methods.

  He has vowed to end the practices that were outlined in the papers that he released. These methods include pushing detainees against a padded wall, making them crouch in an uncomfortable position, sleep deprivation, putting them in a box with a caterpillar, splashing them with cold water, and water-boarding.

  With the possible exception of water-boarding none of the above is torture. And I am not willing to concede that water-boarding is torture.

  The president has vowed to end all of the practices listed above, but he hasn’t released the papers that show us how effective the above methods were. There is a reason for that, these methods were effective. So effective that they lead right into point number two.

  The CIA has confirmed that water-boarding was only used three times and one of those times it was used on the unwilling to talk mastermind of the September 11th attacks, Khalid Sheik Mohammed , who promptly surrendered the details of a second wave September 11th style attack in which Los Angeles was the target.

  Contrary to reports that harsh interrogations don’t work we have learned that they do in fact work and saved many, many American lives.

  Taking into account that the Bush administration’s harsh interrogation policies worked and it is confirmed that these policies saved American lives, and taking into account that this president is going to end these policies it brings us to the conclusion that this president made the decision that it is more important to him to appear to do the right thing by our enemies than it is to actually protect the American people.

  This president knows that the methods used by the Bush administration were effective and he knows that the methods used saved lives and yet he is unwilling to use them when need be. That is why he only released certain papers, that is why he did not release  the results of the harsh interrogations, because he also knows that they saved lives and in order to appease the far left and the enemy he couldn’t make the results public for fear of the backlash.

  But not only is he going to put a stop to the effective measures that foiled an attack on Los Angeles, and who knows how many other attacks, he has left the door open to prosecute those people who actually saved the lives of countless Americans in Los Angeles. There need be no further elaboration on this horrific turn of events. After claiming that he would not seek the prosecution of those who were involved in the saving of American lives he has left the decision up to the Attorney General thereby washing his hands of the situation just as Pontius Pilot once did, absolving himself from any blame.

    This president had a decision to make and he decided that public relations and his image around the world were more important than doing whatever it takes to protect the American people. In the 2004 election John Kerry talked about passing a global test, well this president thinks passing a global test is more important than doing the most important job that he was hired to do. I find this unforgivable.

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17 Comments leave one →
  1. Terrant's avatar
    April 22, 2009 11:38 pm

    So we’re to sweep any possible crimes under the rug? The idea that some people want to just stick their heads in the sand and not investigate these serious allegations is disgusting. What happened to rule of law? What happened to honoring our treaties?

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    • Steve Dennis's avatar
      April 23, 2009 8:37 pm

      The only method that could be considered harsh is water-boarding, the others do not qualify as torture. I consider it more of a crime to not do whatever it takes to act and inquire info intel that could save lives.

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  2. Cristina's avatar
    April 23, 2009 12:24 am

    What treaties weren’t followed here?

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  3. Tom's avatar
    April 23, 2009 8:43 am

    God forbid that we violate treaties while our enemies torture and lop off the heads of our soldiers and citizens. Obviously, they must not have read or signed such “civilized” documents with the intent of honoring them (if they signed them at all).

    OK, so waterboarding is out. How about non-harsh methods such as tickling with a feather?

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  4. Ron Russell's avatar
    April 23, 2009 10:23 am

    Obama and those around him oppose any harsh interrogations. That is todays mindset. If they would have put forth these ideas in 2002 or 2003, they would have literally been run out of the country. They are applying todays standards to yesterdays events. Liberals are always doing this for some reason. The actions of the Obama administration are appalding and present a clear danger not only to the CIA but other government agencies charged with protecting the American people. If, I should say when, another attact comes everything will change overnight and the spotlight of reality will illuminate the rats surrounding Obama. I think this is probably their greatest fear. I’ve been under the weather for the past few days and haven’t done my usual posting or commenting, also I’ve been working the twitter angle. Its a little slow but the results should be positive in driving traffic to my site. I’ts quite simple to use. Have you tried it.

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    • Steve Dennis's avatar
      April 23, 2009 8:39 pm

      You have to remember though, that Obama has the greatest judgement in the history of mankind so if he decides that harsh methods are needed we know that he will carry them out in a much more dignified manner.

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  5. whiteamericanpatriot's avatar
    whiteamericanpatriot permalink
    April 23, 2009 10:44 am

    Gotta disagree with you on this one terrant.
    Our enemies around the world are laughing their collective asses off at us right about now. These interrogation methods are NOT torture. I suffered worse in boot camp and thought nothing of it. And when did we become such a nation of sissies that we cannot abide harsh interrogation of known enemies that have been proven to have carried out acts of terrorism against us? Just what should we do? Bend over and ask for a bigger one, please?
    It is the weak stomach of people like the liberal social democrats that have stripped this Nation of any position of power in the world and have invited more aggression by our enemies.
    Have we forgotten already how our fellow countrymen were brutally beheaded? These men knew that they were beaten and truly tortured and they knew that they were going to die. The brutal torture and murder of our own was recoreded and thrown in our faces and we did nothing about it. And now we have a weak kneed, limp wrested liberal minded socialist asswipe for a president and the radical muslims and other enemies of this nation have free reign to do to us as they like and know, for a confirmed fact, that we as a Nation will not only do nothing to retaliate but will actually accept blame for their crimes against us and apologize to the world.
    This has to stop. We have to take back this country by any means necessary before it is truly and forever lost and we are all slaves.
    Cpl. Booth
    USMC

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    • Deb's avatar
      Deb permalink
      April 23, 2009 5:16 pm

      Thank you for your service, Cpl. Booth. I could not agree with you more. I don’t believe water-boarding should be considered tortutre. Has it not been used as a training tool for the military? Hold your breath! Maybe I’m missing something. But caterpillars? Sleep deprivation? Come on, now! Ask any Mom, if there’s no screaming and no blood, everything is good. Toughen up! Good Lord! I’ve been trying to remember when all this “you hurt my feelings” crap started. When my stepdaughter said it one day at the age of about 10, my husband said, say it again, and I’ll slap your face. I was laughing(on the inside). This is why I believe it started in the schools ( I mean the indoctrination centers.)

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    • Steve Dennis's avatar
      April 23, 2009 8:43 pm

      I am not sure when all of this started either, it has just slowly crept in over many years. Water-boarding may be harsh but it is not torture, the rest of the methods can’t even be considered harsh.

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  6. reaganiterepublican's avatar
    reaganiterepublican permalink
    April 23, 2009 5:12 pm

    Mr Pink Eyes, great observations, as always-

    The WSJ had an interesting article on how Obama has opened a can of worms- i.e. Pelosi is lying about how much she knew about waterboarding, she was on committees that were well informed- so be sure to put her ass on the stand, Barack. Obama was pandering to the left, just like with the AIG grandstanding, but that can backfire once the liberal “outrage” is ignited.

    And it’s plenty obvious that if the tables had been turned, this 7th-century savage KSM would have been chopping our heads off while making a video of it.

    And waterboarding is not a near-drowning technique- the subject is never in danger of drowning. Water boarding is not torture- there is no physical harm to the subject.

    Kahlid Sheikh Mohammed is a BAD guy, wouldn’t talk, and was taunting US interrogators with “you’ll see”… so they obtained valuable info from him using this technique, which we now find-out prevented a 9/11-scale attack on Los Angeles.

    Who cares how many times it took? It was up to him how long before he decided to cooperate, didn’t have to be this way- looks like he clung stubbornly to a bad decision.

    http://reaganiterepublicanresistance.blogspot.com

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    • Steve Dennis's avatar
      April 23, 2009 8:44 pm

      I read that acticle also, I have just finished a post on Nancy Pelosi and how congress knew all along that this was going on and approved of it.

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  7. Terrant's avatar
    April 23, 2009 9:20 pm

    Well, I think that I was a bit harsh last night.

    In my mind, our troops are the foremost reason what we should not torture. We are a party to the Geneva Conventions and the expectation is that our enemies adhere to them as well. If we do not adhere to them, it takes away our moral authority to make the demand that our soldiers are treated accordingly.

    If our enemies do not adhere to the conventions, does torture become acceptable (an eye for an eye)? Where do we draw the line? Did Bush cross that line? Was it justified? Was it necessary to torture that guy 183 times in one month? Do the Geneva Conventions need to be updated to account for terrorists? How should these interrogations be handled in the future?

    I think that these are darn good questions that need to be answered.

    What alarms me the most is the republicans refusal to investigate the issue. I don’t trust politicians and their refusal makes me think that they are trying to cover something up. I think that the issue should be brought out into the open and debated. The debate is what is important. Without it, this issue is going to become a festering sore. I don’t want a witch hunt, but if (and only if) it is obvious that a law was violated, then there should be prosecutions.

    As a side note, I use a simple method to determine if it is torture: if it was used during the Spanish Inquisition, it probably is torture.

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  8. Cristina's avatar
    April 23, 2009 11:18 pm

    I knew that the “treaties we broke” were not others than the Geneva’s. This is so funny. Geneva treaties don’t apply to terrorists, pirates and other countries that did not sign anything at Geneva.

    So how can we broke something that didn’t even apply to the situation?

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  9. Terrant's avatar
    April 24, 2009 6:55 am

    Don’t forget about UNCAT. We are a party to that one as well. The argument that terrorists do not fall under Geneva is a loophole which poses the question does that make it right? I like to think that we should take the moral high ground.

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    • Terrant's avatar
      April 24, 2009 7:48 am

      Before I forget, these treaties probably need to be updated to address terrorists and possibly add more clarity to what is actually torture because a broad reading can include most interrogation techniques.

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  10. Cristina's avatar
    cristina permalink
    April 24, 2009 2:17 pm

    You know, I’m sick of the fact that we “should” comply with all the treaties possible, treaties made to weaken the USA. Look at many UN policies. They are made to take over the American sovereignty.

    I say: kill everybody who is a threat to USA, after taking out all the informations needed. They lost their right to a decent treatment when they joined the terrorist party. Most care more about guilty terrorists than inocent babies.

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    • Terrant's avatar
      April 25, 2009 6:33 pm

      Regan thought the UNCAT was worthwhile to sign. The UN today, it does have a somewhat anti-American streak to it. Good thing that it is mostly toothless.

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