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Nancy Pelosi refuses to comment on where the constitutional authority is to mandate healthcare insurance

October 23, 2009

  With the exception of Steny Hoyer’s asinine assertion that the “general welfare” clause of the constitution grants the power to congress to mandate healthcare insurance, (an assertion that I debunked here), other politicians, such as Patrick Leahy, have shown their constitutional ignorance in another way– by refusing to even make up something the way Steny Hoyer did and by refusing to answer the question at all. Patrick Leahy’s answer to the question? We have the authority, nobody doubts that. But still he can’t show us where the constitution grants us that authority. Now we can add Nancy Pelosi to the mix of politicians who can not tell us where the constitution grants congress the authority to mandate healthcare insurance.

  When asked the question about the constitutionality of healthcare mandates this is what Nancy Pelosi had to say:

Are you serious? Are you serious

   She then shook her head in disbelief that someone would dare to question her authority and took a question from another reporter without ever answering a question that should be a no-brainer to anyone in congress if the congress did in fact have constitutional authority to mandate healthcare insurance.

  Later in the day, in an effort to find the authority that simply does not exist, Nancy Pelosi’s spokesman claimed that the “interstate commerce” clause granted the congress the authority to mandate healthcare coverage. This seems to be at odds with Steny Hoyer, who claimed that it was the “general welfare” clause from which congress derived the power to mandate healthcare coverage.

  Having already debunked Steny Hoyer’s claim in a previous post it is now time to delve into the commerce clause and Nancy Pelosi’s claim that the commerce clause grants congress the right to regulate healthcare mandates.

   The original intent of the commerce clause was to eliminate trade barriers and tariffs that were imposed between the states, which were much more sovereign entities than they are today, and to create a national currency. Under the Articles of Confederation individual states could negotiate treaties with foreign nations and with other states setting up inequities between differing states with each other as well as between different states and foreign nations. The commerce clause was designed to take treaty making privileges away from the states in order to ensure uniform treaties across the nation. That is the original intent of the commerce clause, pure and simple.

  But don’t take my word for it, let us go to the people who actually wrote and defended the constitution and look at the arguments that they made about the “commerce clause.

  Alexander Hamilton:

It is indeed evident, on the most superficial view, that there is no object, either as it respects the interests of trade or finance, that more strongly demands a federal superintendence. The want of it has already operated as a bar to the formation of beneficial treaties with foreign powers, and has given occasions of dissatisfaction between the States.No nation acquainted with the nature of our political association would be unwise enough to enter into stipulations with the United States, by which they conceded privileges of any importance to them, while they were apprised that the engagements on the part of the Union might at any moment be violated by its members, and while they found from experience that they might enjoy every advantage they desired in our markets, without granting us any return but such as their momentary convenience might suggest

  It is obvious that he is talking about the states forming their own treaties with foreign nations.

  Madison:

A very material object of this power [to regulate commerce] was the relief of the States which import and export through other States, from the improper contributions levied on them by the latter. Were these at liberty to regulate the trade between State and State…ways would be found out to load the articles of import and export, during the passage through their jurisdiction, with duties which would fall on the makers of the latter and the consumers of the former

  He was writing about tariffs and taxes that were implemented between the differing states. I can go on and on, there is much more, but suffice it to say that the commerce clause was designed to regulate trade between the sovereign states between each other and with foreign nations. Just read the Federalist Papers that pertain to the commerce clause if you don’t believe me.

  But over the years the commerce clause has been probably the most abused clause in the constitution. The case of Wickard vs. Filburn is a perfect example. Filburn was growing wheat for his own consumption, he was not selling it. The Supreme Court ruled that because he was growing wheat and using it for his own private use that it violated the commerce clause, even though there was no commerce involved, because if he didn’t use his own wheat he would have to purchase it elsewhere.

  This is just one example, there are many, many more. And now we have Nancy Pelosi claiming that the commerce clause gives her the authority to mandate that people buy healthcare insurance? On what grounds? How do healthcare mandates fall under the commerce between states or the commerce between nations? Nancy Pelosi, as well as other liberals in congress, would do well to actually read the constitution.

 

16 Comments leave one →
  1. Deb's avatar
    Deb permalink
    October 24, 2009 10:15 am

    Just the mere fact that she showed incredulity should absolutely nullify the whole reform/public option crud that she is pushing for. Is she serious????

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  2. Dominique's avatar
    October 24, 2009 10:32 am

    Are we serious? Why do we not vote these people out!? They prove by their inept answers…or deceptive answers…whichever you prefer…that they are not fit to run our country! So, again. Are we serious? Let’s get rid of these people once and for all and replace them with people like Marc Rubio and David Hoffman.

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    • Steve Dennis's avatar
      October 25, 2009 8:07 am

      I think that Nancy Pelosi is in a little re-election trouble but in the end she will win. I just don’t think enough people really understand the constitution and what the role of government is supposed to be.
      I hear that Hoffman is coming on strong in New York, he may pull it off.

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    • Linda's avatar
      Linda permalink
      November 5, 2009 2:44 pm

      I agree, but the problem is that there are no elections till November 2010. I suspect the American people will not be able to sustain their anger that long, especially when these monstrous packages pass and don’t really affect our lives between now and then (because they won’t really affect the economy right away). People will look around and think “oh well, it passed and everything is still okay.” And then they’ll return to complacency and vote these same pompous, power hungry elitists back into power.

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      • Steve Dennis's avatar
        November 5, 2009 8:34 pm

        Therein lies the problem that I fear the most. Americans are mad right now but will they still remember come next November?

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  3. Ron Russell's avatar
    October 24, 2009 4:07 pm

    That answer from Nancy is not surprising when you think how the liberal mind works. They believe the Constitution is just a scrap of paper and the meaning can be twisted to fit anything their “big government” minds dream of. A big, big different between conservatives and liberals.

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    • Steve Dennis's avatar
      October 25, 2009 8:09 am

      You know what happens to srcaps of paper, they get thrown away.

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      • Deb's avatar
        Deb permalink
        October 26, 2009 9:02 am

        Yup, right down the memory hole, to the incinerator.

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  4. Linda's avatar
    Linda permalink
    November 5, 2009 2:41 pm

    She didn’t answer because she doesn’t respect the Constitution and doesn’t feel bound by it in any way. She is a power hungry elitist who doesn’t care what the WE THE PEOPLE think and is on an egotistical quest to make the country into what she wants it to be. As wonderful as pink slips, marches and tea parties might be, they are being ignored by most of our representatives as they happily graze at our pocketbooks and fulfill their every fantasy…….Slime.

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  5. B. Johnson's avatar
    B. Johnson permalink
    November 6, 2009 12:41 am

    Simply put, Speaker Pelosi doesn’t know what she’s talking about concerning the Commerce clause and federal healthcare. This is evidenced by the following four constitutional experts who have clearly indicated that the states, not the federal government, have the constitutional authority to regulate healthcare.

    To begin with, Thomas Jefferson, while discussing the Founder’s division of federal and state government powers, had clearly indicated that the Founders had trusted the states, not the feds, with the care of the people.

    “Our citizens have wisely formed themselves into one nation as to others and several States as among themselves. To the united nation belong our external and mutual relations; to each State, severally, *the care of our persons* (emphasis added), our property, our reputation and religious freedom.” –Thomas Jefferson: To Rhode Island Assembly, 1801. ME 10:262 http://tinyurl.com/onx4j

    Next, Justice Marshall had likewise clearly indicated that government power to regulate health issues belongs to the states, not the feds.

    “State inspection laws, *health laws* (emphasis added), and laws for regulating the internal commerce of a State, and those which respect turnpike roads, ferries, &c. are not within the power granted to Congress.” –Chief Justice Marshall, GIBBONS V. OGDEN (1824). http://supreme.justia.com/us/22/1/case.html

    Next, Chief Justice C.J. Fuller had likewise officially noted that the states, not the federal government, have the power to address health issues.

    “It cannot be denied that the power of a State to protect the lives, *health* (emphasis added), and property of its citizens, and to preserve good order and the public morals, “the power to govern men and things within the limits of its dominion,” is a power originally and always belonging to the States, not surrendered by them to the general government nor directly restrained by the Constitution of the United States, and essentially exclusive.” –Chief Justice C.J. Fuller, United States v. E. C. Knight Company (1895) http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0156_0001_ZO.html

    Finally, Judge Andrew Napolitano has indicated that public healthcare is not mentioned in the Constitution, particularly not in any of the clauses of Article I, Section 8, meaning the federal government has no constitutional authority to regulate healthcare.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADVJ0GJ0N2g&feature=player_embedded

    The bottom line is that Constitution-defending patriots need to quit giving Constitution-ignoring “leaders” like Pelosi the opportunity to sidestep major constitutional problems with illegal Obamacare by asking questions like, “Is federal public healthcare constitutional?” Instead, they need to make the following point followed with a blunt question.

    They first need to point out that, given the Constitution’s silence about public healthcare, the 10th A. automatically reserves government power to regulate healthcare to the states, not the Oval Office and Congress. On that basis, “leaders” like Pelosi then need to be asked why they shouldn’t be charged with treason for promoting federal legislation based on constitutionally nonexistent federal government powers, powers wrongly usurped from the states by corrupt federal lawmakers.

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    • Steve Dennis's avatar
      November 6, 2009 5:34 am

      Gtreat quotes, thanks! The constitution is almost meaningless nowadays, I hate to say it. It is time to take this country back and put it on constitutional grounds again.

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  6. B. Johnson's avatar
    B. Johnson permalink
    November 7, 2009 4:10 am

    Pelosi ignores he oath to defend the Constitution, essentially using magic glasses to find public healthcare in the Commerce clause. But based on notes about the Commerce clause by a constitutional expert, the USSC was wrong to blur the distinction between intrastate and interstate commerce when it examined related cases.

    “For the power given to Congress by the Constitution does not extend to the internal regulation of the commerce of a State, (that is to say of the commerce between citizen and citizen,) which remain exclusively with its own legislature; but to its external commerce only, that is to say, its commerce with another State, or with foreign nations, or with the Indian tribes.” –Thomas Jefferson, Jefferson’s Opinion on the Constitutionality of a National Bank : 1791. http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/bank-tj.asp

    Note that Jefferson is not referenced in either Wickard v. Filburn or US v. Wrightwood Dairy Co., pivotal cases where FDR’s pro-big federal government, outcome-driven justices perverted the Commerce clause. Also, state sovereignty is treated as a mere rumor in Wickard v. Filburn, and not mentioned at all in US v. Wrightwood.

    The bottom line is that, where constitutionally unauthorized federal healthcare is concerned, the corrupt, Democratic-controlled Congress is wrongly ignoring the following. Congress is ignoring its Article V requirement to request new powers from the states, the power to regulate healthcare in this example.

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    • Steve Dennis's avatar
      November 7, 2009 6:56 am

      Great TJ quote. The commerce clause is probably the most abused clause in the constitution. When you go back and read quotes that were made while the constitution was being debated you get the real sence of what the founders had in mind. If more people read those debates and then looked at what was happening today they would be amazed.

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  7. B. Johnson's avatar
    B. Johnson permalink
    November 8, 2009 2:28 am

    Here’s what I regard as the simplest official statement that Congress has no constitutional authority to regulate healthcare.

    “Direct control of medical practice in the states is obviously beyond the power of Congress.” –Linder v. United States, 1925. http://supreme.justia.com/us/268/5/case.html

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    • Steve Dennis's avatar
      November 8, 2009 6:42 am

      Thanks for the link, it seems there is precedence if we can ever get this to the Supreme Court.

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