Climategate may doom cap and trade legislation; but it will still be up to us
Even as the president prepares to fly to Copenhagen for the much ballyhooed climate change negotiations, the climategate scandal is gaining momentum in the United States as people scour the internet in search of the scandalous emails.
This article states that climategate may have doomed the cap and trade legislation that is now pending in congress. I hope so, but I do not think that the we can rely on that prediction. The fact alone that Barack Obama is still flying to Copenhagen is proof enough to me that the liberals in congress are not taking climategate serious enough.
The cap and trade legislation was always going to be a difficult sell with the American people, and with the economy in the tank and with Obama ignoring the economy to fly halfway around the world to talk about climate change the people are getting restless. The American people are wondering why Barack Obama has put the Copenhagen trip and cap and trade above the economy in terms of priorities.
And with the news that the climate change data has been rigged from the beginning people are beginning to wonder why Obama is wasting his time and our money flying over there to save the talks. This is part of the reason why we can not count on climategate to doom the cap and trade legislation. Barack Obama and the leadership in congress are ignoring this story; they are moving ahead as if nothing has happened.
The latest polls on healthcare reform show that only 35% of the people agree with the healthcare reform bill being debated in congress yet they are pushing ahead with the legislation anyway. To hell with the American people; we know what is best for them and they are too stupid to understand we are doing this for their own good. That is the mantra of the liberal leadership in congress. And that is exactly what is happening on climategate also.
That is why the news of climategate won’t stop the cap and trade legislation in and of itself; that is why we have to apply the pressure to these people. The protests and angry emails haven’t stopped the liberal leadership from moving forward against the people’s will on the healthcare reform bill, but we have seen how much trouble Barack Obama has had getting a bill passed. With the majorities Obama enjoys in congress he should be able to pass whatever he wants, but he hasn’t been able to, and that is because some of the vulnerable politicians have to listen to us whether they want to or not. We have slowed the healthcare reform legislation down and it will be up to us to STOP the cap and trade bill now in congress.
Cap and trade can be stopped, but it will be up to us to do it. We cannot let these politicians ignore the climategate story. We have to call, write, and email our senators and congressmen and demand an investigation into climategate. Because this goes beyond just cap and trade, as the article I linked to above also states; there could have been criminal activity on the part of the IPCC; did they falsify data to secure funds? On the surface it certainly appears as though they did.
This is a serious matter and it needs to be addressed by congress. Cap and trade is based on this data and now we have irrefutable proof that the data has been rigged. The people responsible for manipulating this data to fit a political agenda need to be brought to justice; they are criminals and they have already cost the taxpayers millions– if not billions– of dollars.
Climategate should doom cap and trade, especially in an economy that can’t afford to have legislation passed that would further cripple it. We have to make sure that our leadership does not ignore this story. We have to make them listen to us! Any politician who does not do anything to have this story investigated is an accessory after the fact to the climate change crime.
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The problem I am running into is that some people insist on calling the GOP the party of “NO” because of their stand against cap and trade. These same people claim they want us to move on and have a real debate, but I contend that is not possible at the moment. They want us to concede their point but their point has been flawed from the beginning. How can they expect us to ignore the fact that the debate has not been honest from the start?
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They want to have a debate, but only amongst those that agree with them. That doesn’t sound like much of a debate to me. We are supposed to debate a point that was gained through dihonest means and yet they consider it the starting point? On this issue I hope the Republican party is the party of “NO.” Because that is the right side of the issue. No.No.NO!
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Al Gore declared the debate closed. Just like an inmate who has ran out of appeals, new evidence is not going to be examined (unless of course it supports their side). Global warning has stopped being a science and is a religion. One things that religions hate are those with dissent viewpoints. Unfortunately, the democrats are going to get their chance to kill the economy; they have the votes to push it through via budget reconciliation.
@Jackson the repubs are being called the party of “no” because they are saying “no” to everything not just crap and trade.
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I understand that they are saying no to a lot of things, but most of them are deserving of the no.
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Evidence contrary to the global warming agenda will be ignored, it always has been. To expect anything different now would just be naive.
Republicans and Democrats have different views on most of the issues so I wouldn’t expect them to be the party of “yes” to Barack Obama’s agenda. I would say that the minority party over the course of years has always been the party of “no.” The Republicans playing this part are no different than the Democrats over the last six years.
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You said it Terrant. Its a a religion to many, where faith trumps the facts. In this case, the “facts” were manufactured.
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If it takes a few times of saying NO to save this nation, that’s great, beats hell out of going down the tubes screaming YES WE CAN!
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I’m sure that saying “no” to the Franken amendment really does a lot in saving the country.
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Republicans are saying “NO” to just about everything these days because it is becoming very clear that “go along to get along” is very hazardous to the health of a Republican’s political career. Anything that a nutcase like Franken proposes has GOT to have a joker hidden in the deck somewhere.
In the Franken amendment case, the joker was yet another cheap shot at Haliburton.
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Yes, I don’t understand why anyone would expect the Republicans to go along with Obama’s left wing agenda. If they do it will spell the end of them in the next election.
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And why, oh why, is Obama still going to Copenhagen? Is the president trying to rack up the miles, or are his advisors telling him to go on evry trip he possibly can? (And why am I picturing John Cleese in “THe Holy Grail” movie saying— “run away! run away!”?)
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He has just turned a blind eye to this scandal. In my opinion he is guilty of being an accessory after the fact. And most likely an accessory before the fact.
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Cap and trade must be defeated and I’m sick of hearing from these global warming nuts. Green is making me turn red with anger. Frankly I’m to the point of tossing my cans out the window again as I did many years ago. To paraphase the old Goldwater saying “extremism in defense of the environment is a crime and moderation in pursuit of global warming is justified”.
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These alarmists are truly infuriating, they manipulated the evidence to support their harebrained conclusion and now that they have been exposed they do not want to debate any more.
That is a great quote!
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Excellent article! 🙂 I said my piece about AGW, though, two years ago, Here
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PS: When I wrote the comment I flagged above, I was giving the scientists involved in developing the computer climate models too much benefit of the doubt. I presumed that they were merely prejudicing their models with their beliefs. Even a perfectly innocent accounting model can be prejudiced by how you round off fractions of a cent, so it’s a common occurrance in computers.
I had no idea that the “errors” in the programs were outright fraud.
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Thanks for the compliment and the link. I will check it out.
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FWIW, that link is to your website, two years back. 🙂 I sounded off here when the founder of the Weather Channel sounded off about AGW.
I’m a couple of comments down, with my old “Don’t Tread on Me” flag avatar. 🙂
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Now I am embarrassed. 🙂 I thought the link was to a post that you had written, I didn’t realize that you were linking to a post that I had written and you had commented on. How did you ever remember that post? It is over two years old.
Anyway, the comments that you made then were very interesting. The fact that we just do not have enough information from the past to look into the future seems to be a very valid one to me. Computer models can be flawed, especially when the people entering the data are manipulating the data they use while excluding data that is contrary to the result they are seeking.
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Oh, certainly don’t be embarassed! I didn’t make it clear in my earlier post that I was linking to THIS website.
How did I remember? I pretty much remember most of what I write over the years. And I especially remember it when it’s a hot-button topic for me. 😉
As for computer models, it isn’t just that the data entered has been modified. It is also problematic that we DON’T KNOW how 90% of the green house gasses work together in our dynamic climate system. All of the climate models are plotting linear progressions, but that does not work in a dynamic system. Thus my original complaint (in the 2-year-old post) that the models could not possibly work.
As things stand right now, no one knows when and where a cloud will appear more than a few days out. But clouds… water vapor… is our most IMPORTANT green house gas.
We just don’t know enough about it all to even try to forecast weather more than a week or so in advance.
The old fashioned method of tracking sunspots (which is the method the Old Farmer’s Almanac has been using for a couple of centuries) is better than the climate models, given that solar activity (indicated by sunspot counts) IS a major weather driver.
But the CRU gang left both clouds AND the sun out of their model. So how can it be right and how can it predict anything? Answer: It can’t.
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I feel better now. I did intend to read that link you provided the next day until you told me it was a link to my own post.
I also find it laughable that the weather cannot be accurately predicted more than two or three days out but we are supposed to believe these people can predict the weather years and years in advance.
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