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10 states may push nullification legislation, how does this relate to the separation of church and state?

January 26, 2011

  There are now ten states–Idaho, Alabama, Kansas, Maine, Missouri, Montana, Oregon, Nebraska, Texas and Wyoming–which have introduced or plan to introduce nullification legislation in an attempt to take the fight against Obamacare to the next level.

  Nullification simply means that a state can invoke its tenth amendment rights and nullify any federal law that particular state doesn’t agree with. Most people feel that this is an idea that will ultimately fail in the courts and I happen to agree. (Any chance of state nullification died with the Civil War in my opinion.)

  But that does not mean that this should not be tried because we must keep the Obamacare fight in the forefront and be proactive by attacking Obamacare from all angles. But I thought that for this post I would look at this issue from another angle.

  What does the issue of nullification and the “wall of separation” between church and state have in common? The words of Thomas Jefferson.

  Thomas Jefferson–as well as many of the other founders–thought that nullification was a legitimate means to keep on overreaching federal government in check. When John Adams signed the “Aliens and Sedition Acts”  which basically allowed the federal government to arrest Americans citizens simply for speaking out against the federal government–a clear violation of the constitution–Thomas Jefferson wrote that “nullification is the rightful remedy.”

  So here is the question I have: Once these nullification laws make it to the Supreme Court–and they will if even one state passes the law–shouldn’t the Supreme Court look outside the constitution and take a look at the words of Thomas Jefferson?

 Why would a person who considers himself an originalist and a constitutionalist ask the question of whether the Supreme Court should look outside the constitution? Simply to make a point. There is precedent for the Supreme Court looking outside the constitution and reading the words of Thomas Jefferson to interpret the meaning of the constitution.

  The Supreme Court created a “wall of separation between church and state” not by reading the constitution, but rather by reading Thomas Jefferson’s private correspondence.

  I know I have written this several times before, but here we go again:

 The term “separation of church and state” actually appears in a letter that Thomas Jefferson sent to the Danbury Baptists in 1802 in reply to a letter sent to him while he was president. The Baptists were worried that they were not going to be allowed to practice their religion so they sent a letter to Thomas Jefferson which stated their concerns. Thomas Jefferson sent a reply to the Baptist to assuage their fear in which he wrote, “ I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should “make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” thus building a wall of separation between Church & State.”

  It wasn’t until the Reynolds v. United States case in 1878 that a judge ruled Thomas Jefferson’s words in a private conversation captured the essence of the true meaning of the first amendment, thus figuratively writing the “wall of separation between church and state” into the constitution.

  So the Supreme Court looked at documents written by Thomas Jefferson in one of the cases that has had the most profound effects on the moral teachings of our nation simply to interpret the constitution as they saw fit. The Supreme Court simply created the “wall of separation” out of thin air and the ironic thing here is that the Supreme Court has used that “wall” over the years to do exactly the opposite of what Thomas Jefferson had written about–he was defending the Baptists rights to worship. 

  If the Supreme Court can reach that conclusion then certainly they can use the words of Thomas Jefferson to reinstate a doctrine that most of the founders believed in when they wrote the constitution, could liberals actually complain about this after supporting the “wall of separation” argument for all of these years?

  Certainly the founders believed in nullification even though it isn’t specifically mentioned in the constitution–Thomas Jefferson’s words show that he did–much like the “wall of separation” is not specifically mentioned in the constitution, even though Thomas Jefferson’s words have been used to create this concept.

  Would liberals who defend the “wall of separation” even though its basis was found outside the constitution suddenly become constitutionalists if the courts were to look outside the constitution when deciding on nullification? I don’t think so because liberals only care about the constitution when it either benefits themselves or their beliefs.

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  1. Conservatives on Fire's avatar
    January 26, 2011 9:37 pm

    Seeking to understand the intent of the clauses of the constitution has a long history. So, yes the courts should look to Jefferson, Madison and Hamilton to try to understand their intent about nullification. As for Jefferson use of the phrase “wall of separation”, I think Jefferson would be appalled at how his words were interpreted. I believe that all he was trying to do was to say to the Baptist was that they had nothing to worry about because the constitution acted like a wall preventing the government from interfering with their right to practice their religion. Nothing more.

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    • The Georgia Yankee's avatar
      The Georgia Yankee permalink
      January 26, 2011 10:33 pm

      I’ve heard it suggested frequently, of late, that the Constitution didn’t intend to prevent states from establishing their own religions.

      What do you think might have happened if Connecticut had established a state religion other than Baptism?

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    • Steve Dennis's avatar
      January 27, 2011 9:03 am

      That is all Jefferson was saying and yet the liberals over the years have used his words to do just the opposite.

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  2. John Carey's avatar
    January 26, 2011 10:02 pm

    Great post Steve! Your analysis is absolutely spot-on. It’s funny how the left can embrace the words of Thomas Jefferson in a private letter and at the same time totally disregard his views on nullification. He also believed that the States voluntarily joined the union and could just as easy leave the union. It’s funny how we never hear this.

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    • Steve Dennis's avatar
      January 27, 2011 9:05 am

      Many of the founders believed they could leave the union if they wanted to, but of course we now know that can’t happen. It is interesting the way the left subjectively looks back on history when it suits their goals.

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  3. The Georgia Yankee's avatar
    The Georgia Yankee permalink
    January 26, 2011 10:30 pm

    Steve, the Supreme Court routinely consults and cites material other than court cases in formulating its opinions and in writing them.

    The most common such outside source, I suspect, is the Federalist Papers. We view them today with a level of reverence, but they’re not the be-all and end-all of the ins and outs of the Constitution. They’re also not official documents the way court cases and legislation are.

    Another outside source is the Congressional Record which, by providing transcriptions of the remarks of Members of Congress, can be cited as a window to what those Senators and Representatives intended when they passed legislation.

    The case you refer to wasn’t an abberation, it was the norm. Relevant letters and writings of those involved in cases and parts of the Constitution relevant to a particular case are never off-limits – how ever could justice be served if they were?

    And I don’t think that liberals or conservatives who’ve studied the Constitution and how it’s applied would argue against the Justices reviewing all the relevant material at hand, even if it consisted of material other than other court cases.

    If one or more of the states passes a nullification statute, I’m sure the Justices will consider President Jefferson’s remark upon passage of the vile Alien and Sedition Act.

    And may God bless us all!

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    • Steve Dennis's avatar
      January 27, 2011 9:07 am

      I doubt that they will look at Jefferson’s words, but you never know. The interesting thing about the Federalist Papers is the way the two main authors eventually turned on each other because they ended up with different vies on how strong the federal government should be. This battle has been going on since the beginning.

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  4. Harrison's avatar
    January 27, 2011 1:09 am

    Federal law trumps State law. I see this going nowhere.

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    • Steve Dennis's avatar
      January 27, 2011 9:08 am

      I don’t think this is going to go anywhere either, but I find it to be an interesting topic.

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  5. Jersey McJones's avatar
    January 27, 2011 3:16 pm

    If the legislature can make no law regarding something, than certainly it could be said there is a “wall of separation” between that legislature and that something. To think otherwise be as if to believe that a “No Trespassing” sign posted on private property can not be thought of as a “wall of separation” between the public and that private property. I can’t imagine the specious logic that would go into that.

    You guys are what I call “buffet intentionalists” – ignoring the intent of constitutional law when it suits you.

    JMJ

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  6. Marisa's avatar
    February 9, 2012 11:24 pm

    With a post like that Heritage, you are part of the polbrem, not the solution… Those of us who believe in true freedom (both social and economical) have chosen our side and that is with the Founding Fathers and Ron Paul. You Decepticons will fall along with the other Statists when Freedom prevails.

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