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The Supreme Court rules in favor of the Westboro Baptists

March 2, 2011

  From an earlier post of mine about the Westboro Baptists:

 I can’t even begin to express the disregard in which I hold the Westboro Baptists. This is the group of people who go around the country under the guise of Christianity and protest at the funerals of our heroes who have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, claiming that these deaths are retribution from God because of the United States’ acceptance of gays and lesbians.

  While our heroes are being laid to rest, these despicable human beings shout slogans such as “God hates fags,” as well as “thank God for dead soldiers,” and “God hates the USA.” Siting their first amendment rights to free speech, the freedom of religion, and the right to peacefully protest as justification for their intolerant and despicable acts, they continue to interrupt these funerals as distraught family members try to mourn their loved ones.

  What these “christians” fail to remember is the simple fact that those whom they are protesting died defending the rights of the Westboro Baptists to conduct such a deplorable protest in the first place. Technically they are not doing anything that is not within their rights, but I would argue that just because you have the right to do something, that doesn’t mean you should do something. This isn’t an issue of rights–much like the Ground Zero Mosque–these people have the right to do what they are doing–but rather an issue of common decency, and that is what these people are missing. In my opinion, these people should be protesting in Washington, not at the private ceremonies for fallen heroes.

  Now, onto today’s story: The father of a Marine who was killed in Iraq decided to sue the Westboro Baptists for disrupting his son’s funeral and earlier today the Supreme Court ruled that the father had no case because the Westboro Baptists were simply exercising their first amendment rights. The case was decided by an 8-1 margin with Justice Alito being the lone dissenter.

 Here is what Justice Alito said in his statement:

Snyder wanted only to “bury his son in peace.” Instead, Alito said, the protesters “brutally attacked” Matthew Snyder to attract public attention. “Our profound national commitment to free and open debate is not a license for the vicious verbal assault that occurred in this case

  I agree with the sentiment behind his statement: I agree that the Westboro Baptists used the funeral of this man’s son to draw attention to themselves by protesting at the service, and as I wrote earlier, I despise this group and all that they stand for. But the fact remains that one cannot stifle free speech just because one does not agree with the message contained in that speech.

  I wrote above that the Westboro Baptists weren’t doing anything that they didn’t have the right to do, but that just because you have the right to do something that doesn’t mean that you should do it. The Supreme Court has ruled exactly the position which I have held in regard to the Westboro Baptists and while the group is a reprehensible lot that doesn’t mean that they should be silenced.

  The Westboro Baptists may he exercising their first amendment rights and while I will defend their rights, I cannot possibly condone the way they choose to exercise them. What they are lacking is compassion and just plain common decency, there could be a much more productive manner in which to voice their displeasure with the federal government. And the ironic part about this whole story is the fact that I would be willing to bet that those whose have fallen in Iraq and Afghanistan would claim they died to protect the rights of this group to do what they are doing.

  Now it is up to the individual states to pass legislation which would assure that no protests can be held within a certain distance from a funeral and several states have already done so (New Hampshire and Arizona to name two) and that is where the power should lie in the first place.

23 Comments leave one →
  1. Conservatives on Fire's avatar
    March 2, 2011 10:19 pm

    To tell you what I think of these “chritians” I would have to use a lot of four letter words. There must be a special place in hell for these people.

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  2. John Carey's avatar
    March 3, 2011 12:28 am

    Spot-on analysis Steve. You are correct in saying the states should pick up the ball here and pass common sense legislation that does not restrict free speech, but promotes respect. Great post.

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    • Steve Dennis's avatar
      March 3, 2011 6:51 am

      Thanks John, as much as I do not like this group it is not up to the SC to tell them they cannot do what they are doing. Now it is up to the states to push them back off of the sites.

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  3. The Georgia Yankee's avatar
    March 3, 2011 1:37 am

    I don’t know which hurts more – this ruling, or the fact that I find myself agreeing with Justice Alito. It may be a bright day for a certain interpretation of the Constitution, but it’s a dark day for justice.

    Take good care and may God bless us all!

    TGY

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    • Steve Dennis's avatar
      March 3, 2011 6:53 am

      I begrudgingly support this ruling, not because of the group it is protecting specifically but for the protections it provides generally. We can’t have the SC telling a group of people that they are no longer allowed to protest. No matter how appauling we feel their actions are.

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      • Steve Dennis's avatar
        March 3, 2011 6:54 am

        COmmon decency is thrown right out the windo with this group, but that does not mean that we have to throw out the constitution because of this group.

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      • The Georgia Yankee's avatar
        March 3, 2011 10:20 pm

        But that’s not what the ruling was about – it was about whether a private citizen whom they intentionally hurt with their demonstrations could sue for money damages. SCOTUS said they couldn’t, because they were exercising 1st amendment rights.

        I always thought that my right to wave my fists around ended at the tip of your nose, but now we can’t be too sure. What the Court is saying is that no longer is it true that all acts have consequences.

        Will they next overturn the “fighting words” precedent?

        Hope all’s well, and may God bless us all!

        TGY

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      • Steve Dennis's avatar
        March 3, 2011 11:10 pm

        I can’t believe that I am about to defend these people, but there was no violence here. While I find their rhetoric disgusting I would argue that if the court allowed a person to sue because they were offended by someone’s speech the lawsuits could be never ending in today’s litigious society.
        This ruling does not affect a state’s right to push these people away from the funerals to protest, and that is where the power lies now.

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  4. Atlanta Roofing's avatar
    March 3, 2011 1:37 am

    This would be a “right” not granted in any other place. Any limits on freedom of assembly because of the potential to hurt others’ feelings negates the point of both the freedom of assembly and the freedom of speech.Someone will always have their feelings hurt. As long as the “protests” are respecting property rights, they must be allowed. Anything else other than protection of this will lead to a curtailment of similar rights in the future.

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  5. Harrison's avatar
    March 3, 2011 3:18 am

    Sadly they will continue to make peoples’ lives hell with their mindless protests. Freedom of speech, yes… common sense…? Not so much.

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    • Steve Dennis's avatar
      March 3, 2011 6:55 am

      Common decency is thrown right out the windo with this group, but that does not mean that we have to throw out the constitution because of this group. It will now be up to the states to create laws to push these people back so that the families can mourn without having to worry about them.

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  6. rjjrdq's avatar
    March 3, 2011 6:01 am

    They have first amendment rights, but at same time…I haven’t seen that kind of hate since Jeremiah Wright. Makes me wonder if they really are church and if there is some kind of agenda behind their actions. Remember, they wanted to picket the funeral of the little girl killed in Arizona. Why?

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    • Steve Dennis's avatar
      March 3, 2011 6:57 am

      I agree, I feel that they are using their “religion” as an excuse to conduct these protests. Their followers mught believe in the cause, but I have to feel the leader has a political agenda he is pushing.

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  7. LD Jackson's avatar
    LD Jackson permalink
    March 3, 2011 7:07 am

    While I have to agree with the decision, I also agree with Justice Alito’s statement. These people do have the right to protest, but they should show some common decency when they are doing it. Honestly, they are lucky some old-fashioned redneck hasn’t taken matters into their own hands and put a stop to one of their idiotic protests. I am not advocating that, but it’s a wonder it hasn’t happened. There are some lines people just shouldn’t cross and protesting at any funeral is one of those lines.

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    • Steve Dennis's avatar
      March 3, 2011 7:20 am

      I agree 100% Larry. I agree with both the decision and Justice Alito even though that seems like a contradiction. The Westboro Baptists certainly have crossed a line that no decent person would cross.

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  8. Mike's avatar
    Mike permalink
    March 3, 2011 10:04 am

    Spot on post Steve.

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    • Steve Dennis's avatar
      March 3, 2011 9:04 pm

      Thanks Mike, I guess this is one of those issues we agree upon. It happens every once in awhile. 🙂

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  9. Bunkerville's avatar
    March 3, 2011 11:40 am

    And our culture continues to spiral ever downward to who knows where.

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    • Steve Dennis's avatar
      March 3, 2011 9:05 pm

      I agree we are spiralling out of control, but in this case the constitution was upheld and even though we disagree with the Westboro Baptists we cannot take away their rights.

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  10. allen's avatar
    allen permalink
    March 3, 2011 1:00 pm

    ok..soo they have the constitutional right to do that.

    I have the moral right to make it very,very expensive for them

    I wonder how much it would cost them to rent a bus to go home…the one they came in just became “unserviceable”. flat tires, no unbroken windows, handful of ball bearings in the carb…….

    damn shame someone told the “earth first!” people they were a chapter of the deuce and a half and 5-ton truck collectors club….

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  11. barbara paolucci's avatar
    barbara paolucci permalink
    March 3, 2011 7:41 pm

    The answer isn’t found in restricting free speech, even though I’d like to silence these bums. The answer is in contacting the cemetery associations throughout the country and having them adopt a policy of closing all gates to others who are not part of the funeral of a soldier/member of the military. Most cemeteries are privately owned, I’m sure they would jump at the chance to keep the so called Baptists out.

    City owned cemeteries are free to pass resolutions or whatever it takes to close their gates when a military funeral takes place as well. Every town in the country, except San Francisco and Chicago would jump at the chance to do this for our fallen heroes and their families.

    If everyone contacts the the cemeteries in their area this will spread like widlflowers and the problem will be solved.

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    • Steve Dennis's avatar
      March 3, 2011 9:06 pm

      I agree, but I would add that the states also can take care of this problem by limiting the protests to be a certain distance from the funerals.

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