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Arne Duncan can’t name the provision in the constitution which allows the federal government to get involved in education

March 14, 2011

   Arne Duncan–Education Secretary–was asked, and could not answer, a simple question; Where does the constitution give the federal government the authority to involve itself in the education of our children? Here is the question which was asked of Arne Duncan:

The Bill of Rights says that powers not delegated to the federal government by the Constitution are reserved to the states and the people. With that in mind, Mr. Secretary, where specifically does the Constitution authorize the federal government to be involved in primary and secondary education

  Here is Duncan’s response to that question:

“We are obviously a small percent of overall funding–you know about 10 percent,” he said. “The vast majority of funding comes at the local level–state and local level. But we have a responsibility to support children who have historically not had those kinds of opportunities–disadvantaged children, poor children, homeless students, children who are English language learners and, more recently, we’ve seen a tremendous amount of reform from the department.”We have to dramatically improve the quality of education we are providing this country and we can help to continue to reward excellence and encourage at the local level,

  A typical Washington politician’s dodge to a question. He did not state where the authority lies, what he did was to explain why he felt the federal government SHOULD be involved in the education of our children. His answer to the question was no answer at all–it was a deflection.

  To be fair, this is a question that Arne Duncan–or anyone else for that matter–could not possibly have an answer for because the fact is that there is nothing in the constitution that gives the federal government the authority to interfere in the education system. Article 1, Section 8 of the constitution lays out the 17 SPECIFIC powers which the Congress was granted, they are:

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

  As you can see, nowhere in that list is the issue of education, this means that according to the 10th amendment of the constitution the power lies solely within the states and the people. Just before this list is the “general welfare” clause, and some would argue that the government is interfering in education for the “general welfare” of the United States, but if you look at the words of James Madison (and those of you who believe that the term “separation of church and state” appears in the constitution based on words Thomas Jefferson penned in a private correspondence will surely grant me the license for the excursion I am about to make outside the constitution to make my point) you will see that the “general welfare” clause in the constitution has been used in a manner in which the writers of the constitution never meant. Writing in Federalist 41 James Madison said the following:

It has been urged and echoed, that the power “to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts, and excises, to pay the debts, and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States,” amounts to an unlimited commission to exercise every power which may be alleged to be necessary for the common defense or general welfare…But what color can the objection have, when a specification of the objects alluded to by these general terms immediately follows, and is not even separated by a longer pause than a semicolon?…For what purpose could the enumeration of particular powers be inserted, if these and all others were meant to be included in the preceding general power? Nothing is more natural nor common than first to use a general phrase, and then to explain and qualify it by a recital of particulars. But the idea of an enumeration of particulars which neither explain nor qualify the general meaning, and can have no other effect than to confound and mislead, is an absurdity

  In other words the “general welfare” clause is tied directly to the 17 specific issues which follow. One simply cannot separate the “general welfare” clause from the enumerated powers of the Congress, they go hand in hand. So the “general welfare” clause is still limited to the precise enumerated powers outlined in the constitution.

  Still not satisfied? Here are some more thoughts from the main author of the constitution:

With respect to the two words ‘general welfare,’ I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators

  And yet that is exactly what has happened here–and in many other instances–the constitution has seen a metamorphosis in regards to the “general welfare” clause which is in direct odds with–and not contemplated by–the authors of the constitution.

   So the constitution does not give the government the right to interfere in the education of our children, that much is clear, so let us look at the reason Arne Duncan gave as to why the government is right in doing so in spite of what the constitution tells us. Arne Duncan claimed that the reason the federal government should get involved in education was to make sure that disadvantaged and poor children had the same opportunities as other, more well off children did.

  Why then did Barack Obama effectively kill the Washington DC school vouchers program which did just that? I guess the unions were more important than the children.

23 Comments leave one →
  1. Phillip Cleary's avatar
    Phillip Cleary permalink
    March 14, 2011 9:38 pm

    There is no constitutional amendment the Department of education was formed under Public Law 96-88.

    Click to access ED180121.pdf

    Clause 18, “Necessary and Proper”. A clear violation of States Rights.

    http://law.onecle.com/constitution/article-1/49-necessary-and-proper-clause.html

    McCullch v Maryland; Court Chief Justice John Marshall agreed stating, “We admit, as all must admit, that the powers of the Government are limited, and that its limits are not to be transcended. But we think the sound construction of the Constitution must allow to the national legislature that discretion with respect to the means by which the powers it confers are to be carried into execution which will enable that body to perform the high duties assigned to it in the manner most beneficial to the people. Let the end be legitimate, let it be within the scope of the Constitution, and all means which are appropriate, which are plainly adapted to that end, which are not prohibited, but consistent with the letter and spirit of the Constitution, are constitutional.”

    and our Constitution has been on a downward spiral ever since.

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    • Steve Dennis's avatar
      March 15, 2011 7:03 am

      Yes, and it is going to be tough to get out of it. Thanks for that quote and the link!

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      • Linda's avatar
        March 15, 2011 10:08 am

        Yeah, that’s the quote that time and time again gets used to stretch the Constitution yet further–the infamous implied powers.

        I’m not a big Marshall fan. Thanks for nuttin dude.

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      • Steve Dennis's avatar
        March 15, 2011 8:44 pm

        I’ll second that!

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  2. joshcomm's avatar
    March 14, 2011 9:51 pm

    This may be stretching it a tad Steve, but still in line with the government with Fox News headline: “Conservatives Voice Frustration With Short-Term Budget Bills”.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/03/14/conservatives-voice-frustration-short-term-budget-bills/?cmpid=NL_FNTopHeadlines_20110314

    I think it is time to kill two birds with one stone, with an example of a letter I just sent out to the Wisconsin US Senators and Representatives using the following quote:

    “In a Tweet last week, freshman Rep. Allen West, R-Fla., already announced: “I will NOT be voting for another short term CR. There is a confrontation coming on this budget and the sooner we get to it the better.”

    I think if everyone wrote their Senators and Representatives and tell them to stop pussyfooting around to “make a deal” and just make a stand, telling all Republicans, Democrats, Senators, Representatives and the President that enough is enough, NO SHORT TERM CR, AND TAKE DOWN THE GOVERNMENT AND DEFUND ALL THE CRAP IN THE GOVERNMENT NOW AS “WE THE PEOPLE” WANT, and let the chips fall where they may. Enough is enough.

    Jon

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  3. Matt's avatar
    March 14, 2011 10:12 pm

    The sad fact is this, our “progressives” have no interest in what the Constitution means, or what it limits. They will use whatever pretzel logic required to justify their actions.

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    • Steve Dennis's avatar
      March 15, 2011 7:05 am

      I am afraid you are right, they have no concern for our founding principles, only their end game.

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  4. LD Jackson's avatar
    LD Jackson permalink
    March 15, 2011 6:17 am

    I have to agree with Matt. The progressive Democrats are more than willing to twist the Constitution to give it a meaning it does not have. As long as it suits their purpose, then the end justifies the means.

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    • Steve Dennis's avatar
      March 15, 2011 7:06 am

      So true Larry, and the scary part is we are one SC nomination away from letting them have total control over what is still left of the constitution.

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  5. Bunkerville's avatar
    March 15, 2011 9:35 am

    What was taken away from us, must now be taken back. Say Zip fo the C.R…. and get rid of the Obamacare funding as well as everything else that is annoying. Watch the Dems flee to Mexico.

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    • Steve Dennis's avatar
      March 15, 2011 8:45 pm

      It will be a slow process, but we have got to starting taking it back now! We have waited too long and I hope that it is not too late already!

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    • Raimi's avatar
      June 1, 2012 9:56 am

      Ryan RI read a book a little while ago cealld American Shaolin, where this young 20 s college student goes on an educational sabbatical from Princeton and decides to go to China and train with Shaolin Monks. The most disturbing thing that happens is his discovery of iron training where you focus on making one part of your body as impervious to harm as possible. Iron forearms would break staffs people where swinging at you, iron head practitioners could break swords over their heads. Then there was iron crotch. An iron crotch specialist could literally be lifted off the ground by the force of a kick to the balls and smile the entire time like you were tickling him. It talked about the exercises they have to do every morning, which was basically putting your junk on a table and punching it. So maybe iron constitution is a much larger compliment from a Chinese source than we are realizing.

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  6. nooneofanyimport's avatar
    March 15, 2011 9:57 am

    Excellent post sir. Listing the enumerated powers brings home the point powerfully.

    The only thing missed is further elaboration on Sec. 8’s intro, regarding the power to tax for the General Welfare.

    This intro gives the fed gov’t the power to impose any revenue-raising tax, BUT BUT BUT (what an important “but”) the money raised still has to be used for one of the things you listed: coining, post office, roads, army, navy, war, interstate commerce etc.

    So, sure they can use the General Welfare intro-clause thingy to tax you, but they can’t use the General Welfare clause to spend the tax on pedicures for the populace, even if it would improve our general welfare in some sense.

    Education is no different from pedicures, in that neither are enumerated. The general welfare clause is NOT the blanket power the left would have us believe. Neither is the Interstate Commerce Clause.

    Furthermore, the Supreme Court agrees with me. Even while they’ve tweaked and tortured the meaning of these clauses in order to preserve countless stupid leftist ideas, they have never declared them to be unlimited, blanket powers. The Court has always said, “there IS a limit somewhere, we just haven’t reached it yet.”

    Like the spoiled child whose parent keeps declaring limits but not enforcing them, the collectivists keep pushing their agenda further.

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    • Steve Dennis's avatar
      March 15, 2011 8:47 pm

      Thank you for the compliment. Thank you also for delving into this even more, you made some great points there.

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  7. Rep. John Conyers's avatar
    March 15, 2011 10:05 am

    Department of Education is constitutional under the Good and Welfare Clause, you silly rightwingers!

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  8. Phillip Cleary's avatar
    Phillip Cleary permalink
    March 15, 2011 2:51 pm

    Between Necessary and Proper and the Supremacy clause, The 10th amendment is a shell. The Supreme Court in precedence has effectively eliminated it and allowed a monstrous Federal Government to become master of the people. Something that was warned as a valid threat to freedom in the FP’s. Hamilton’s monster is upon us and needs to be cast down. As posted earlier, the fragility of our current SC is a dangerous situation. If there had been a Liberal SC in the wake of our previous Congress then ALL checks and balances would have been thrown out the window.

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    • Steve Dennis's avatar
      March 15, 2011 8:52 pm

      I am afraid you are right and it may be too late to turn this around. Just for the record, Hamilton is my least favorite founder. He collaborated with Madison on the federalist papers but after the constitution was ratified he quickly tried to move Washington towards centralizing the government.

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  9. TexasFred's avatar
    March 15, 2011 5:26 pm

    Once again we see a dire need for 10th Amendment sovereignty…

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  10. John Carey's avatar
    March 15, 2011 11:34 pm

    They simply don’t care anymore Steve. They don’t care if they violate the constitution of expand their powers beyond the limited powers granted to them by the constitution. They view themselves as our rulers and not our servants. They are insulted when someone challenges them when they pass bills that steal our liberties. Until we the people decide enough is enough they will continue to breach the wall.

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    October 25, 2011 7:53 am

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