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Peter King on Rand Paul: He is making ‘the NSA the villain’ instead of ISIS

May 25, 2015

 I think it is a safe assumption to make that Rand Paul’s Constitutional stand against the NSA data-mining program has drawn the ire of selective Constitutionalist establishment Republicans and the latest example comes from New York Republican Peter King.

  Today on CNN’s Situation Room Peter King had this to say about the Senator from Kentucky:

“The NSA is essential. I’d rather have it continue as-is, but at least have it continue under the amended, — the revised form, that came out of the House. But it’s irresponsible and people like Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY), who, again, somehow make the NSA the villain, when it’s Al Qaeda, it’s ISIS, it’s this whole array of Islamist terrorists we’re against, and somehow is consumed by the NSA. I’ve never met a more patriotic group of people than the men and women of the NSA. and I also believe full constitutional protections are in place right now. The House bill would even increase those protections and there’s no excuse for it to be allowed to lapse.”

    First I would like to know how Mr. King thinks there are Constitutional protections with the NSA data-mining program because it seems to me that warrantless bulk collections of American citizens phone records is a clear violation of the Fourth Amendment but perhaps he has never read it. In case he has not read it here it is:

  The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

  That is pretty clear in my opinion: the person, place, and things to be seized need to be named in an individual warrant and only when there is probable cause so how then can a person have his or her phone records collected without any probable cause in a bulk warrant just in case he or she does something in the future? It is illegal and the courts have already ruled it so.

  We can chalk up Peter King as another person who believes Americans should give up a little essential liberty for perceived security (and perceived it is because the FBI has already admitted the program has not stopped any terrorist plots) and we know what Benjamin Franklin said about people who were willing to make that exchange.

  What Peter King should remember is that Rand Paul is not siding with ISIS over the NSA as he is framing the argument but rather is standing up for the Constitution which is under attack by the very people who have sworn to uphold the document. Perhaps it is time for Mr. King to start honoring his oath of office and until he does I consider him to be an enemy of the Constitution…

Malo periculosam libertatem quam quietum servitium

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  1. petermc3's avatar
    petermc3 permalink
    May 25, 2015 8:35 pm

    Residing in the NY metro area puts one in the position of having to see this boring, stupid, self serving, bought and paid for, elected for life republican elitist pull his head out of his asshole once in a while to see which way the wind is blowing and then appear on Fox so they can agree with whatever pronouncement he spits out and slobber all over him. For a jerk who always sounds like he needs to blow his nose when
    speaking he sure loves to talk.

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  2. ror1774's avatar
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    May 25, 2015 8:54 pm

    I agree with you Peter King is an establishment hack and on the wrong side of this issue. Rand Paul is on the correct side of this issue.

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  3. Senatssekretär FREISTAAT DANZIG's avatar
    Senatssekretär FREISTAAT DANZIG permalink
    May 25, 2015 9:55 pm

    Reblogged this on Aussiedlerbetreuung und Behinderten – Fragen and commented:

    Glück, Auf, meine Heimat!

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  4. Laura Bernard Mielcarek's avatar
    May 25, 2015 10:15 pm

    Arghhhhh! You’re killing me, Steve!

    What a complete idiot! How these people can say these outright lies and still look at themselves in the mirror is just waaaayyyy beyond me. Stop this crazy ride, I want to get off.

    For our ‘common defense’ – which means the common defense of our states – the Constitution authorizes a Navy and it authorizes Congress to raise an Army – but only authorizes the funding of the Army for two years. The rest of our ‘common defense’ is left to our militia.

    Now, of course I realize times have changed, people say we can’t afford not to have a standing Army. Whether I agree or not is irrelevant. What is relevant is that fact that the Constitution doesn’t authorize the NSA, the FBI, the DHS, the TSA, or the CIA (I may have missed some).

    It doesn’t matter how patriotic the NSA employees are. The agency is unconstitutional. Not authorized means NOT AUTHORIZED!

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    • Steve Dennis's avatar
      May 26, 2015 5:53 am

      Well, I figured that if I was outraged I might as well spread it around a little. 😉 It is so damned frustrating to listen to people like this justify their abuse of power through fear tactics.
      I wonder how many of them know the only standing forces approved in the Constitution is the Navy? I would bet now many at all.

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  5. Brittius's avatar
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    May 26, 2015 5:28 am

    Reblogged this on Brittius.

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  6. Brittius's avatar
    Brittius permalink
    May 26, 2015 5:40 am

    I disagree with Pete King, on this issue. I donate to his campaigns. A few times, I have spoken to Pete face to face on other issues, while understanding that he has a greater in-depth background information, Pete will always side with what he believes is in the best interest of the nation. He wants to eliminate 2A except for law enforcement, celebrities, politicians, corporate executive boards and such. With NSA, what I understand his belief is, that collection and eternal storage of all data beyond bongo drum beating, can always be dipped into and resurected, to prosecute anyone whom, prosecutors desire to incarcerate. Wrong headed thinking, and way too much on the career politician way of DC life. NSA violates, clearly, 4A. Defund and abolish NSA and cronies, that are orther government agencies, quasi-agencies, and corportaions that assist in 4A violations. There are only certain times that warrentless collection is acceptable, not a broadband collection without merit.

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    • Steve Dennis's avatar
      May 26, 2015 5:56 am

      Thanks for that Brittius, I didn’t know about his stance on the Second Amendment. I notice he thinks he has the right but that the “little people” do not and that is very troubling to me.

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      • Brittius's avatar
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        May 26, 2015 6:06 am

        Pete is a real nice guy and down to earth. His parents were immigrants from Ireland, hence his support of illegals obtaining a path to citizenship. His father was a cop, in Bronx, NY. Truly, Pete is liked by most of Long Island, NY, as he does, work hard for the people. He too, as Feinstein, a friend of his, is upset with gun violence, and he has ALWAYS worked to hamstring all the peasants of their 2A RIGHTS (not privilege in America – yet…). He has helped me on a matter or two. His office personnel are fabulous, though elevated in their demeanor at times. He always helps veterans with Bills in Congress, I too worked with input. But he wants to “get along”, rather than put the bite, onto opponents. So much, I would be here for quite some time. He also invites peole open house style, to have a beer at a pub and discuss different topics; He has done this for eons. Confrontational approach causes horns to be locked.

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      • Steve Dennis's avatar
        May 26, 2015 7:02 pm

        I am glad to hear that he at least is willing to sit down with the people but it does sound as if he is on the wrong side of many issues in my opinion.

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    • Laura Bernard Mielcarek's avatar
      May 26, 2015 10:53 am

      Pete will always side with what he believes is in the best interest of the nation.

      Maybe someone should tell him that’s not his job. His job is to, at all times, uphold the Constitution and after that, do what his constituents tell him to do. No representative is elected to do what they think is best. They are elected to carry out the federal government’s Constitutional duties and do what the people in their district tell them to do. The body of Congress doesn’t represent the Country as a whole. The body of Congress is made up of individuals who represent only their district/state.

      Just like we are not a nation, we are a federation – a union of individual, sovereign states.

      Oh, and they need to stop doing the bidding of a political party!!! They don’t represent a political party, they represent the People who can vote for them – in other words….their constituents only!!

      Sorry, I get a little worked up about this. 🙂

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      • Brittius's avatar
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        May 26, 2015 11:57 am

        I crossed that bridge a couple years ago with Pete. I was basically, “dismissed”. There goes a belief that I have, that professional politicians are morphing into monarchy. That, didn’t win any points with him. There are a few items that he agreed with me on e.g.: What part of ILLEGAL, do the elected senators and representatives, NOT understand? Okay, then notice his support of a “path to citizenship”, where I say, deportation. He’s a politician, and in the new and improved DC, the next generation of gasbags are being groomed, today. Years ago, I was asked three times to run for local office in Brooklyn (NY) and refused. Twice by Democrats and once by Republicans. I thought there were better people out there than myself. Glad, I never ran for office.

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      • Laura Bernard Mielcarek's avatar
        May 26, 2015 12:22 pm

        From what I’ve read on here by you (granted, I haven’t been around very long), I think you would be a good elected official. Maybe the best representatives are those who don’t want the job, who think there are others who would be better than they would be.

        He dismissed you, but I bet he wouldn’t have refused your money – had you wanted to give him some, that is. 🙂

        I know I keep harping on this, but…. 😉 we won’t ever get the representation we want, representatives who obey us, until we change who can donate to campaigns and elected officials.

        In the Federalist Papers it is explained that House Reps only serve two year terms so they remain dependent upon the People who can elect them. By allowing donations from anyone and anything, we have removed that dependence. We have allowed non-constituents and groups to buy our representation. Only people who live in the candidate’s district/state can vote, so it only makes sense that only those people can donate. It’s insanity to allow others to buy our representatives like we do.

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      • petermc3's avatar
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        May 26, 2015 2:33 pm

        Unlike the politicians who see issues in gray, depending on whose money supports which side of the issue, conservatives see these things as black or white right or wrong with very little if any at all wiggle room. What really gets me PO’d is the “core values” mantra of hypocrites like King. You either have values which you stick to or you don’t. I recall in years past respecting Peter King before he got tangled up in this Homeland Security bureaucratic bullshit.

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      • Steve Dennis's avatar
        May 26, 2015 7:03 pm

        I am with Laura, I have a feeling you would make a better Rep than many of them who are there right now.

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  7. bunkerville's avatar
    May 26, 2015 5:18 pm

    King presents a false premise. Either one gives up all of one’s right to privacy or the terrorists run amok, slaying and pillaging our dear Nation. It is admitted that up to now not one terrorist has been caught by storing all of this data. Has everyone forgotten J.Edgar Hoover? At this point, I think they have the goods on most of the GOPers. What else would explain their refusal to support the very issues they ran on this past November’s election.

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    • petermc3's avatar
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      May 26, 2015 6:54 pm

      …possibly many if not most having betrayed their electorate since the day after election in 2014 and knowing they will not be re-elected are selling out wholesale. Kinda like the Clintons looting the White House on the way out knowing they wouldn’t be coming back….or will they?

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    • Steve Dennis's avatar
      May 26, 2015 7:04 pm

      I think you are right about them having the goods on many of the GOP members, the NSA spying program apparently worked there…

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