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New poll shows that most Americans support warrantless internet surveillance

January 1, 2016

Rand Paul  As the regular readers of America’s Watchtower know, I am a supporter of Rand Paul because I believe he is the only candidate running for President who is a true Constitutionalist. So many conservatives and Republicans claim to be Constitutionalists that it has baffled me that the Senator from Kentucky has not fared better in the polls.

  I honestly believed that the NSA’s data-mining program was a winning issue for Rand Paul and I thought it would actually convince the younger voters, who would be concerned with internet privacy, to actually consider casting a vote which would protect their Fourth Amendment right. But I was wrong and this article probably goes a long way in explaining why Rand Paul has not garnered the support I hoped he would.

  According to a new poll most Americans support warrantless internet surveillance, there are just too many damn selective-Consitutionalists, here is more:

 

It’s at least somewhat important for the government to sacrifice freedoms to ensure safety, most say in the survey.

Here are some things to know about public opinion on civil liberties from the AP-NORC poll:

 According to the new poll, 56 percent of Americans favor and 28 percent oppose the ability of the government to conduct surveillance on Internet communications without needing to get a warrant. That includes such surveillance on U.S. citizens.

Majorities both of Republicans (67 percent) and Democrats (55 percent) favor government surveillance of Americans’ Internet activities to watch for suspicious activity that might be connected to terrorism. Independents are more divided, with 40 percent in favor and 35 percent opposed. Only a third of Americans under 30, but nearly two-thirds 30 and older, support warrantless surveillance.

The poll finds that for most Americans, safety concerns trump civil liberties at least some of the time.

More than half – 54 percent – say it’s sometimes necessary for the government to sacrifice freedoms to fight terrorism, while 45 percent think that’s not necessary. On a more general level, 42 percent say it’s more important for the government to ensure Americans’ safety than to protect citizens’ rights, while 27 percent think rights are more important and 31 percent rate both equally.

  This poll is incredibly disheartening to me to say the least but it does explain why Rand Paul is not getting any traction. It would seem to me, if this poll is correct, that a majority of Americans do not understand the role of the government or the fact that the Constitution does not grant us our rights, but rather protects our rights by limiting what the government can do to the people.

  All of these people who claim to be Constitutionalists yet support a candidate which is in favor of this type of surveillance is either lying or does not know what the document they claim to support actually says. Apparently they never read the Benjamin Franklin quote about people who are willing to give up liberty for security…

  These people have fallen into the trap that if they have nothing to hide they have nothing to fear and nothing could be further (farther?) from the truth because they are willing to give up their rights a little at a time and eventually we will all pay the price. James Madison, the father of the Constitution, summed it up best when he said, “I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power, than by violent and sudden usurpations.”

Can there be any doubt at this point that we are living in a post-Constitutional America?

malo periculosam libertatem quam quietum servitium

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  1. Dr. Jeff permalink
    January 1, 2016 10:37 pm

    Yes, but….

    I’m not ready to give up yet. I’m still pretty happy from seeing the Rose Parade today, ask me again on Monday when reality takes over again.

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    • January 2, 2016 8:51 am

      I’m not going to give up until it is over, but then again I am stubborn…

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  2. January 1, 2016 10:42 pm

    Just goes to show more people are brainwashed to accept surveillance then we hoped. Noting too, that the polls state what they want people to believe (another form of social conditioning).

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    • January 2, 2016 8:52 am

      Exactly Zip, all the fear-mongering has paid off…

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  3. January 2, 2016 9:29 am

    If the IRS scandal wasn’t a wake up call, nothing will do it. If we had a benign government it would not be so dangerous, and apparently that is the majority think position. Think again,

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    • January 2, 2016 7:09 pm

      Even liberals should be concerned about what was going on in the IRS because someday it could happen to them, but because it was happening to conservatives they do not care. Just the threat from Nixon about using the IRS in this way helped lead to his resignation, but apparently now people are much more willing to allow government snooping and it is sad.

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      • Dr. Jeff permalink
        January 3, 2016 5:41 am

        It’s insane. They’re walking us into an insane combo of Animal Farm, Brave New World and 1984 and taking us with them. Solid chance of continued economic decline as well.

        I won’t call the Republicans entirely better, but I’ll note that at least we have some vocal dissenters and we’re having an impact.

        Right now, things are running pretty heavy on Trump. So many people have gotten pushed so far to the edge, people of so many different types, ordinary people, common people, decent people, that we are appalled at where we are going and we simply go for the guy who knows the fears we harbor. We’re going for a Leader to fix us.

        I don’t always insist on achieving theoretical ideals, that would be entering the world of Cloward and Piven destroying a system in order to rebuild it. Any system involving humans has to have some flex in it. It’s just the way we are. Practical reality has to rule over philosophical purity.

        Right now, we’re heading to a system with all flex and no give. We became a nation where each individual insisted so much on our rights that we forget that to exercise rights in a pluralistic society, you have to have some restraint, responsibility, tolerance and general good manners.

        Those are concepts that cannot be legislated. They can only be understood by citizens.

        Trump is the consequence of losing our restraint, responsibility, tolerance and general good manners.

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      • January 3, 2016 7:23 am

        Well said Dr. Jeff, well said!

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      • January 3, 2016 7:25 am

        I think you are right about the Trump phenomena, people have been pushed to far and they are saying enough is enough. They see Trump as an outsider and a man of action who has been successful and I wonder how many of them are voting for Trump not because they like what he says or not because they believe he can do what he says, but rather because they think this will stick it to Washington?

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  4. January 2, 2016 4:01 pm

    Email, no — I think the sanctity of the mails extends to emails, naive though that may appear.

    General Internet activity, though — hell yes! If I post something on Facebook, I don’t see why law enforcement should be prevented from reading it and, if appropriate, taking action.

    The terrorist woman in San Bernadino apparently kept her FB page above reproach, but communicated some of her vile intentions via private messages. Unfortunately, I wouldn’t support the government having warrantless access to such messages, though I do support data mining to identify suspicious PMs and emails for the purpose of securing a warrant.

    On the other hand, was there enough on Dylann Roof’s FB page to identify him as a potential RW terrorist? Possibly.

    Take good care, and may God bless us all!

    TGY

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    • January 2, 2016 7:13 pm

      There is a difference however between people who have their FB accounts private and people whose are open for all to see as was Roof’s. I wouldn’t expect anything I posted on FB or any other social network to not be in the public arena and open for all to see.

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    • Dr. Jeff permalink
      January 2, 2016 8:30 pm

      Sorry Yankee, it doesn’t. See my stuff below.

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    • January 3, 2016 12:23 pm

      Laws against people opening other people’s snail mail still exists – although when those letters are open, the smart house can read it!

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  5. Dr. Jeff permalink
    January 2, 2016 6:46 pm

    Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I think internet monitoring works a little differently than that. Please bear with me, this is one crazy area.

    The privacy safeguards we’re used to all date from the time when a warrant was needed to monitor a telephone conversation over physical wires. Since internet technology is radically different, virtually none of those safeguards applies, especially since Bush Jr. set up the Homeland Security rules in the wake of 9/11. You’ll remember that very few people even commented on the use of secret FISA courts, run by anonymous judges, in hidden proceedings. Warrantless wiretaps became part of it as well. While Bush started it, it’s seen considerable expansion under Obama. Oddly Liberals condemn Bush for it, yet approve Obama’s expansion.

    The very technology that supports the internet makes privacy enforcement a strange proposition. The signals cross international borders and the whole operation of the internet is dependent on multiple sites, that you don’t control, recording your usage, even if only temporarily.

    First of all, there’s not much question about public posts, whether on Facebook or here on America’s Watchtower, they’re legally wide open to anyone who cares to look.

    It gets a little murkier when dealing with email. The situation is analogous to sending a post card in the U.S. Mail. Technically you have some privacy, but functionally it’s a moot point. There are just too many ways to obtain copies of your email from malware added to your computer to the email server records themselves. Since the internet uses relays all over the world, much of the time, it doesn’t even count as domestic spying because the signal carrying your email crosses international borders.

    These are only some of the reasons that people are looking at encrypted email communication and the government wants a universal key to decode them. The bills supporting a mandatory universal decryption key for the Feds have all been shut down, but they’re still trying.

    Where you go on the internet is also a fairly open area. We’ve often been told that the government only uses metadata from your internet use.

    The Feds say they don’t track individuals with the data they use, only aggregate usage. To get the metadata, they have to begin with all your personal information and then filter out your personally identifying information. In other words, they begin by recording all of your personal data and then say they throw away the personally identifiable parts. Especially with the FISA Courts and all, internet providers are usually pretty quick to give the Feds anything they want. There have been very few exceptions. The situation is slightly better in Europe, but not by much.

    In any case, recording that you visit multiple firearms websites or multiple Right Wing and Libertarian websites is enough to put you on a watch list. Whatever XXX perversions you enjoy is actually pretty low on their priority list. Remember, a long time ago the Obama admin defined Conservatives, or anyone expressing patriotic ideas as well as military veterans, as potential terrorists.

    Monitoring internet use is also the idea behind the huge government data processing facility they’re building in Utah. Look it up, then tell me how well you sleep.

    Sorry for going on so long and perhaps not being entirely clear. The whole subject is a strange mix of modern technology and outdated laws combined with hidden courts and a lot of secrecy. One thing we did get from Wikileaks is the knowledge that our government is even dirtier than we thought it was.

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    • January 2, 2016 7:17 pm

      Very good post and no need to apologize! You are right about the FISA courts and how we didn’t say anything back then, but oh if I had it to do over! You are also right in your assessment about the difference between public posts on here and FB and with private emails and social media. This has become the proverbial slippery slope and I am troubled by the whole thing.

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      • Dr. Jeff permalink
        January 2, 2016 8:27 pm

        Troubled? Frankly, I’m terrified.

        Assuming we actually have a President after Obama, I’ll be very interested to see how he (I hope not she, that would be Hillary) handles the Utah Data Collection Center.

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      • January 2, 2016 8:30 pm

        Yeah, terrified is a better word! We know how Hillary will handle it but I am not sure how most of the Republican candidates will handle it. The only one I trust on this issue is Rand Paul.

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  6. petermc3 permalink
    January 2, 2016 9:35 pm

    Two points:
    First: most americans would support giving up their privacy just as most americans voted twice for Obama and today would vote for Obama again if he ran as they are going to vote en masse for Hillary in November because seemingly most Americans are garden variety stupid if not apathetic.
    second: Any republican elected POTUS will be too busy fighting the media and sucking up to the democrats to effect any change. Just one man’s pragmatic if pessimistic opinion.

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    • January 3, 2016 7:26 am

      I think you are right on with both points!

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  7. January 3, 2016 9:36 am

    It is mind boggling that so few people recognize the function of terrorism. I am disheartened by the fact that we are quickly turning into a state that creates policy based more on fear than on basic American democratic principles. I think another reason Rand Paul hasn’t received more support is his name. The media put forth significant efforts to marginalize Ron Paul, and the names are very similar. I donated to Ron Paul’s campaign. I voted for him several times, sometimes when he wasn’t even on the ticket. I have supported Ron Paul more than any other political candidate, but I am still on the fence about Rand. (Additionally, farther implies physical distance. Further is correct.)

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    • January 3, 2016 2:46 pm

      Clearly stated SDM’81. The very group who ‘contrived’ the terrorist use them to bring about their takeover World Agenda. The spirit behind it is from old … the ancient, that is held in such high esteem in the collective (indoctrinated/ill programmed) mind – the very spirit that considers the populous as cattle and irrelevant! Just a life source to be used for their own self reward and gratification. The new Windows 10 is an example of the intrusive ‘we rulers are gods: we see all, hear all and are creating our own reality … we answer to no one but the fallen god.’ Rand may be more our friend, but he realize the force behind the OWGov.?

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      • lou222 permalink
        January 3, 2016 3:52 pm

        I am trying to keep Windows 7 at all cost,,,went in and set my settings to NOT let it happen, but in the end they will probably change it anyway…you know how they stop supporting an application so they can force us to change…I just do not like change when it is forced!

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      • January 3, 2016 6:39 pm

        Esp. when what they force is something that’s intrusive and more world order ruling.

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      • lou222 permalink
        January 3, 2016 6:58 pm

        How do we stop them, Zip? It seems, even though something is illegal or not Constitutional, it gets pushed thru anyway….they dare us to do something and the ones that COULD stand up to them cave and this is what we get…more controlled!

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      • January 3, 2016 7:31 pm

        Yes, a puzzling problem. They’ve had this plan though Lou, for generations – the way I hear it.Some people live off the grid, but even those get pulled into the collective matrix! Let’s put the question to Steve!

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      • January 3, 2016 7:29 pm

        Here is a quote Zip which plays into what you were saying: “a world or nation of people who will not use their intelligence are no better than animals which have no intelligence. Such people are beast of burden and steaks on the table by choice and consent.”
        I think I got that quote right, it was attributed to the Illuminati by guess who?

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      • January 3, 2016 7:40 pm

        Your buddy Bill Cooper and look where it got him! Well, he was right and it goes with Lou’s question: what to do? how to wake up people who think they’re awake?
        “An Associated Press dispatch on July the 26th, 1968 reported’New York Governor Nelson A. Rockefeller says as President he would work toward international creation of “a new world order”…’ … “On January the 30th, 1976, a new document called The Declaration of Interdependence was introduced to the American people. [And] it was signed by [124 traitors:] 32 Senators and 92 Representatives [altogether 124 traitors] in Washington D.C. and [it] read in part: ‘Two centuries ago our forefathers brought forth a new nation. Now we must join with others to bring forth a new world order.'”http://deceivedworld.blogspot.com/2010/08/william-coopers-mystery-babylon-part-05.html

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      • January 3, 2016 7:29 pm

        I have 8.1 and will not be upgrading to 10!

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      • January 3, 2016 7:45 pm

        Well, that is pressure Zip! This plan has been in motion for many, many years. It is nothing new. Bill Cooper brought the problem back to “occupationally orphaned” children. Because, by design, both spouses have to work to support a family when it once only took one person families have been forced to put their children into public daycare centers and schools. This lessens the influence of the parents and grows the influence of the state as they have gained control over the children at a younger age.
        Until and unless we can strengthen the family unit thereby lessening the influence of the state it will be nearly impossible. This will take a reawakening of the American people and I am not sure at this point that it will ever happen.

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      • January 3, 2016 8:26 pm

        I’m seeing that with my nephew and his wife and their little boy. Plus, the social pressures of the young couple to be successful, rich, cool and partiers! Nothing new under the sun, it just seems they’re under the gun more than we were 40 years ago. It might just go the course of other societies that got corrupted within and taken over – which isn’t a good answer to Lou’s question is it. :<

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      • January 3, 2016 8:01 pm

        Good guess Zip! Although it probably was not that hard. 😉 As to what to do I do not have an answer but I did post a little bit more of the problem and what it will take to solve it in a comment below.

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      • January 3, 2016 8:07 pm

        Even JFK knew there was a conspiracy and we all know what happened to him…

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      • January 3, 2016 8:31 pm

        Yes Steve, sober soundness. That’s why they took the ‘control’ away from him the way they knew how (killed him – just as they took Cooper out), and just moved in ‘their puppet’ to further their goal. The very things ‘free and independent’ are what’s being attacked and harnessed today.

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      • lou222 permalink
        January 3, 2016 8:19 pm

        I would say that back in the 40’s and 50’s and even into the 60’s, Moms were stay at home, kids listened and played outside and all the neighbors watched what we all did. The parents lived within their means and for the most part other than a gas card credit card that came in the late 60’s, I do not remember my parents buying even on “store credit”…they knew what they had to spend and bought accordingly. Now, we have a shit load of credit cards, buy here pay here places and credit given to people that have no business having credit, because they have no intention of paying something back…then the prices get jacked up and WE pay for them. It is no wonder that both parents have to work, no one is really happy and the parents are too tired to spend alot of quality time with their kids. It is a no win situation.

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      • January 3, 2016 9:17 pm

        I’ve read and been told that the ‘credit generation’ was to make a ‘debt society’ which brings it even more down into the mire tar pit (reflective too of the lack of morality, value and independence). Remember Lou the ‘Green Stamps’ that could be used for selecting dishes and things!

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      • lou222 permalink
        January 3, 2016 9:31 pm

        Yes, the S&H green stamps…Grandmom used to get them at the grocery store…seemed like she could get cash or dishes, etc…those books were GOLD. I also remember that boxes of laundry detergent had towels in them. There were incentives to shop at certain stores.

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      • January 3, 2016 9:57 pm

        So they went from Gold to Green? This was late 50s early 60s. The gas stations use to give them out, is what I remember. Good incentives! Speaks to ‘big changes’ there!

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      • lou222 permalink
        January 3, 2016 10:14 pm

        Haha, no, my Grandmom thought they were GOLD, as in good as GOLD,,,you are correct they were GREEN! Words can take on a whole different meaning when they are only typed! Yes, gas stations gave them out too, but I remember the A&P store by their house gave them out too. We were always glad to get the books filled up.

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      • January 3, 2016 10:26 pm

        Hahaha. Glad you explained that Lou! I figured by the time I got on the scene the worth of them had gone from Gold to Green! I remember it being ‘fun’! collecting and putting them in the book for our parents – another ‘family thing’ we did together!

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      • lou222 permalink
        January 3, 2016 10:51 pm

        I found this you might get a kick out of. It is something how quality, price and service have taken a nose dive since this video was made in 1962:

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      • January 3, 2016 11:02 pm

        My thought too, Lou!

        Nicer business back then!

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      • lou222 permalink
        January 4, 2016 8:56 am

        Haha! Great minds think alike?

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      • January 3, 2016 8:46 pm

        Zip, it is interesting to note the JFK was murdered less than a year after making this speech! Coincidence? I think not…
        Lou, this whole idea of credit, which I have used of course, also allows people to live above their means but eventually that bill comes due…
        You are right, this is a no win situation and the powers that be know it!

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      • January 4, 2016 6:34 am

        I vaguely remember my grandmother using those stamps but I never knew what they were.

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      • January 4, 2016 12:21 pm

        You were probably too young Steve! And like Lou’s grandma, she probably used them for things she needed and wanted and you didn’t reap the bennies! Or maybe you did, but you just didn’t know it!

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      • January 4, 2016 8:02 pm

        I still don’t really know what they were or how you used them. Did you get them for purchasing a certain amount from the store?

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      • January 4, 2016 8:37 pm

        When shopping and purchasing items (gas included) you receive S&H Greenstamps depending on what you spent. Those stamps were placed in a book and (lick and stick) which you could use to redeem products in the catalog. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%26H_Green_Stamps Ask Lou, they were very popular!

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      • petermc3 permalink
        January 4, 2016 8:59 pm

        Has anyone mentioned Plaid Stamps and Gold Bell Gift Stamps?

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      • January 4, 2016 9:22 pm

        NO! You must’ve lived Up Town to get those!

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      • January 4, 2016 9:14 pm

        That is basically what I thought they were but I was not sure.

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    • lou222 permalink
      January 3, 2016 3:59 pm

      Ron Paul was made out to be a nutcase, so no one should listen to him…He was an old man and had a shaky voice, so we should not listen to him. He wanted to NOT have our military all over the world, so we should not listen to him, he could not possibly win the Presidency …so WHO are we listening to now? Ron Paul was and is an intelligent man, but the media took him down. I am not entirely sold on Rand Paul, he is not his father, like some would hope for him to be. Ron Paul was just not the image that people wanted for a President, but I do not know what that image is now! I cannot imagine that Obama was that perfect imagine. Paul has alot to say and maybe a voice of reason should be listened to, we have had so many tell us what should happen, it has not been to our benefit.

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      • January 3, 2016 5:16 pm

        Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders have common sense stances that appeal to the younger generations. They come from opposite ends of the political spectrum, but I look at them as similar candidates. Ron Paul appealed to the same mentality that kept America out of WWI and WWII for several years and eventually made us the hero of both wars. Bernie Sanders appeals to a commonsense element of American social policy–we are the greatest country in the world yet other countries do much more for their citizens. How can we not match those who are lesser than us?

        My question with Rand is, is he just a mouthpiece for his father?

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      • lou222 permalink
        January 3, 2016 6:55 pm

        SDM, no I do not think he is, not sure if he leans even further libertarian than his dad, maybe? I know there are serious issues that we are facing and some that we have yet to know that are coming….I want someone that is a fighter! I am not sure about alot of the candidates, but I know Trump is a fighter and pretty sure he can be a dirty fighter….while in a perfect time, where all is FAIR, it might be something I would say I do not want……now, I want someone that will give as good as he is given. I like Ted Cruz, he is an honest and very knowledgeable man that would do well in the VP slot and then move up….most the others, they might be fighters, but not seasoned. I think we have this one last chance to save the Republican party, whether it is worth saving is debatable now. The corruption runs deep, we have seen what bi-partisan over the last 7 years has done for us. We have also seen some of the same people voted in during Obamas second term that should have been thrown out. Imagine we will find out how much money talks and who is taking the bait and caving, huh?

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      • January 3, 2016 7:35 pm

        Ron Paul was right on many issues but came across as crazy to many people, I thought Rand would be able to highlight the good while not being so “crazy” but I think many people think he is nothing but an extension of his father. I do not think he is a mouthpiece for his father but I think he problem is with something else you said. You compared Paul to Sanders and I think that many people equate libertarians to liberals without understanding the subtle differences and that hurts him with conservatives because in the end I believe many conservatives are only selective-constitutionalists.

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    • January 3, 2016 7:22 pm

      Fear is a great weapon which can be used to control the people and to “justify” encroaching on our rights and the government has done both well under the guise of protection. I think you are right about Paul being connected to his father, I think that is part of the reason he has not been able to gain any momentum.

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      • lou222 permalink
        January 3, 2016 9:10 pm

        I would say that anyone that follows in the footsteps of a famous parent has some baggage to carry. I don’t care what career you are in, it is going to happen. That can be good OR bad, depending on who that person is…either you live up to their image in the eyes of some people or you are seriously lacking in someones elses eyes. I can imagine that Rand was thought to be a carbon copy of Ron, but that is just not so….maybe people at that point are disappointed…who knows. At any rate, it is always there when they hear him talk and people are wondering if he is thinking what his dad would have thought or done in any given circumstance. I wondered that myself when he came into the limelight, but I see alot of differences, guess you have to pay strict attention and do some comparisons to really see WHO Rand is or isn’t.

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  8. CTWalter permalink
    January 4, 2016 11:19 am

    Hey Steve and Everyone. The problem with a poll when it includes Republicrats and Demicans is that most of the drifting, twitting, pinting, text messaging masses usually identify them selves based on the Media’s definitions. Repubs a little less so, but still it is the stock and trade of a declining electorate who knows more about the life of celebs than their Constitution or their leaders.

    All of the flap and turmoil we are engaged in is a side show designed to keep us up in arms about something; anything. As long as we are fighting for issues, ie; gun rights or saving the planet, we are at odds with each other and the Oligarchy slowly and relentlessly becomes more entrenched.

    I found a little book a while back called Production vs. Plunder The Ancient War That Is Destroying The West by Paul Rosenberg. It is a short survey of history from Pre Samaria through our modern day situation. It made me re-evaluate everything I thought I knew about history and I have been an avid student of history since the late 70’s. In it he defines the conflict we see all around us today. For example, in a couple of paragraphs he explains why the US has been so prosperous and overflowing with creativity while South America has languished in all of its woes and poverty. He is honest about his review of history even when it goes against his original thesis and he is pretty hard on Christians, especially in the past, but he is not agenda driven. And as a Christian I can appreciate honest criticism.

    I have had some success at work sharing these concepts and getting all but the most fanatic liberals who worship their idols of State and its prophets et al. They have been willing to discuss and even accept the concept of the conflict of cultures that have been warring since the last ice age began to recede.

    Short book, GREAT read, and no, I am not connected to the author or publisher in any way. I’m a nurse and a farmer in the central mountains of NM.

    Wishing all a Happy New Year and a prosperous future in family, faith, and a thriving culture that we all hope will survive.

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    • January 4, 2016 8:04 pm

      I hope you have a happy New Year as well! I might have to pick up that book. There is no doubt in my mind that both parties keep us spinning around in circles and fighting each other and while we do this they continue to grow the government and encroach on our rights.

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  9. lou222 permalink
    January 4, 2016 4:37 pm

    Hey CT, hope you had a wonderful Christmas and a great New Years Eve.
    I have always found that for some people it is easier to let someone else decide what we should all think and fall in step with them. We also see that when there is some “breaking news” and “alert” we had best look behind that curtain because something else is happening they want to cover up.
    There are some groups that will NEVER get along and maybe that is how they view survival, by fighting constantly. Who knows. I do know that Obama thought he was going to take over the world and make everything better, didn’t somehow work out the way he planned….he is not the savior or “the one” we were waiting for.
    Will look that book up, it sounds like a good one.
    You have done better than some of us trying to enlighten others!

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