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Darrell Issa calls alleged CIA spying on Congress treason

March 12, 2014

 Yesterday America’s Watchtower wrote about the allegation that the CIA hacked into the Congress computers during an investigation on interrogation policies. But that post focused on Dianne Feinstein’s hypocrisy on this scandal compared to her indifference concerning the NSA spying scandal. Today’s post will focus on the scandal itself because if these allegations are true it is a major scandal.

  In fact today Darrell Issa basically said if the allegations are true it might just amount to treason.

  Here is part of what he had to say:

“I think Senator Feinstein is as outraged as anyone and I share her outrage. I think the violation of the Constitutional separation of powers should be an offense of the highest level—virtually treason,” Issa told Breitbart News on Tuesday.

“Spying on the executive branch—spying on Congress or violating the separation of powers as to the Supreme Court or as to Congress is effectively treason. Treason—it’s written up in the Constitution,” Issa said of Feinstein’s revelations, adding, “I don’t know who gave the orders, but to spy on other branches is in fact a constitutional violation at the level of high crimes and misdemeanors and certainly should cause the removal of anyone involved.”

  ‘Treason’ is not a word that you hear thrown around all that often from members of the Congress. Sure, bloggers and many Americans have been throwing that word around in regards to Barack Obama and members of the Congress, but it is rare to hear this coming from the Congress.

  Recently some members of the Congress called Edward Snowden a traitor, and you can understand why for they were duplicitous in the spying scandal and they do not like the fact they were exposed, but when was the last time you heard a member of the Congress say a government agency might be guilty of treason?

  Darrell Issa has been investigating many scandals revolving around the Obama regime so I am sure he does not throw this word around lightly. And he makes an interesting point when he talks about high crimes and misdemeanors, however Article II Section 4 of the Constitution states: The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

  You can see the Constitution clearly states “treason, bribery, OR other high crimes and misdemeanors” drawing a distinction between treason and high crimes and misdemeanors. Furthermore the Constitution defines treason thusly: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. [emphasis mine]

  It has been long debated what the definition of a ‘civil officer of the United States’ actually is and I would argue that any person in power in a Federal agency is a civil officer of the United States, but does this scandal rise to the level of treason as defined in the Constitution?

  I am not sure it does, and perhaps Darrell Issa was speaking rhetorically, but I do agree with him wholeheartedly when he stated that if true anyone involved in this scandal should be removed from office. In fact I would take it one step further and state that I believe if this story is true anyone who was involved in this scandal should be taken away in chains, tried, and if convicted sent to jail for a long time.

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  1. Brittius's avatar
    March 12, 2014 7:38 pm

    Something is going on. CIA picks up their orders from the White House. We can all disagree, but not much of anything can be done. Issa has no fist in his glove. Gowdy is doing his best, but again, nothing. The US Senate was so pompous and protective of the president and spitefully strengthened laws concerning inappropriate data collection, and then arrogantly made mock veiled threats to the American People. Now, the US Senate is on the receiving end. I have no sympathy for any of them with exception of Gowdy, and maybe less than a handful, and that is only a maybe, beyond Gowdy.
    How can the US Senate pick and choose what is protected information when the Bill of Rights is not upheld by the US Congress? Back to square number one, Traitors and Oath Breakers. Does the US Congress believe there is any honor amongst thieves?

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    • Steve Dennis's avatar
      March 12, 2014 7:44 pm

      I agree with you, it is hard to feel sorry for the Congress because they didn’t give a damn about out rights until their rights were violated. Now they are upset, but if they had done something in the first place perhaps they wouldn’t be in the same boat as the rest of us.

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      • Brittius's avatar
        March 12, 2014 7:48 pm

        Exactly. You knocked that one over center field and out of the ballpark. That, is exactly, it. Now they look for sympathy and it’s not here.

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      • Steve Dennis's avatar
        March 12, 2014 8:12 pm

        Thanks for the compliment! No, there is no sympathy with the American people, in fact I would guess that many people think they deserve this.

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  2. Conservatives on Fire's avatar
    March 12, 2014 8:36 pm

    This is very strange. Was Congress investigating the CIA? If the accusation is true, why the CIA? If Obama (Valarie) was looking for dirt, wouldn’t he (she) have used the NSA? Something is very, very wrong here, my frfiend. This is a constitutional crisis if we’ve ever had one.

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  3. thegeorgiayankee's avatar
    March 12, 2014 11:34 pm

    Meh. I was going to issue a screed on how, if true, this might be a felony of the highest order, but it does not rise to the level of treason, which is very specifically and narrowly defined in the Constitution – I believe the only crime to be so defined.

    I was also going to ask what Issa was driving at when he started rambling about high crimes and misdemeanors.

    Then I read through your post and realized you’d stolen my thunder.

    Nice going.

    Take good care and may God bless us all!

    TGY

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    • Steve Dennis's avatar
      March 13, 2014 6:04 am

      Thank you, I had a feeling you would agree with me on this one. 🙂 What really bothers me about the reaction of people like Issa and Feinstein isn’t the fact they are angry about this, because they should be, but the fact they are so much more outraged about this than they were about the NSA. They felt they were above this and now they know they are not, it must be a blow to their egos.

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  4. Laura Bernard Mielcarek's avatar
    March 12, 2014 11:51 pm

    Issa is a little confused on the definitions of treason and high crimes and misdemeanors. Treason is defined in the Constitution as you pointed out, Steve. One government agency spying on another government agency isn’t treason.

    High crimes and misdemeanors is ANYTHING that violates the trust of the public. Lying to the public is perjury – lying while under oath – and a high crime and misdemeanor when done by someone in a ‘high’ position – an elected official or other ‘civil officer of the United States.’

    During a speech, Ginsberg said she believed our courts should consider international/foreign laws in the cases they hear and not just the Constitution and U.S. laws. This is a violation of her oath and a high crime and misdemeanor. She violated the trust we are supposed to have in our judges that they use ONLY the Constitution and U.S. laws when deliberating.

    The lie ‘if you like your insurance yada, yada’ is a high crime and misdemeanor. This was a BLATANT lie told by MANY elected officials and other ‘civil officers.’ These people took an oath, they are under this oath at ALL times while they hold that position – elected office or employed by the government.

    We not only TOLERATE this behavior, we EXPECT it and make jokes about it.

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    • Steve Dennis's avatar
      March 13, 2014 6:07 am

      That is the sad part about this Laura, we are so used to this that we expect it and have become so conditioned to it that there is no longer outrage about it. We have become complacent and that is the worst thing we can be.

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  5. rjjdq's avatar
    March 13, 2014 1:28 am

    Depending on the type of information stolen and who ends up with it, there could be treason yet.

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    • Steve Dennis's avatar
      March 13, 2014 6:08 am

      That’s true, who knows what was taking and in whose hands it will end up.

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    • thegeorgiayankee's avatar
      March 13, 2014 10:33 am

      At this point, you’re right, but I so hope you’re wrong!

      TGY

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      • Steve Dennis's avatar
        March 13, 2014 8:29 pm

        I hope so too! When you think about the fact that this whole thing revolves around “enhanced interrogations” the results could be disastrous if it gets in the wrong hands.

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  6. Petermc3's avatar
    Petermc3 permalink
    March 13, 2014 10:36 am

    It appears that Darrel Issa knows the inner workings of the constitution like Shirley Jackson Lee knows her history. Maybe the two of them can launch an investigation into… does it matter what? : )

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    • Steve Dennis's avatar
      March 13, 2014 8:30 pm

      He has put on several dog and pony shows designed to fool us into thinking he is doing something when in fact he is not.

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  7. Disturbeddeputy's avatar
    March 13, 2014 7:14 pm

    And what does he call the CIA spying on citizens? Silly me, I thought it was illegal for the CIA to operate within the borders of the United States. I guess that’s an antiquated law that is of no further use to TPTB.

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